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Post by johnson1941 on Nov 7, 2023 8:15:02 GMT -6
WM Camp has provided a wealth of information on LBH. Often referred to in his interviews, are his maps...unfortunately it seems a couple good ones are still unaccounted for. We have several of his own blue print survey maps he used for interviews. Not perfect of course, and works in progress, they are very informative none the less.  We have his oilskin map sections of markers and survey stations.  We have his Custer route trace map. The battlefield side (to the right) of this map would be golden, but i am speculating no GEO exists of that area cause it was Crow territory.   We have his Custer/Reno 'after separation' map, which does cover the right as mentioned above.  We have maps he gave out to others for marking up.  What is missing is one referred to where Edgerly Peaks is marked with an A, and Custer ridge marked with an X. If only...  Attachments:
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Post by herosrest on Nov 8, 2023 13:37:34 GMT -6
His study was a work in progress, or this is what his notes and maps show us. His data evolved over time and the notes do not reflect this in any way. From the blueprint map you attached, I have taken the detail area which shows handwritten identification of Edgerley Hill and |Weir Hill in blue pencil. I've highlighted these so that we can get a handle on WMC's idea of precisely wjere Weir and Edgerley went. Just checked again, there they are. It isn't a particularly good render of the terrain but it's what is what.  One has to wonder how Edgerley turned to the right to get there, unless of course you understand what he was actually saying. The last person fooling around with this was Fred Wagner. He nnailed that jelly to the wall. Edgerley's hill according to WQMC. |
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Post by johnson1941 on Nov 8, 2023 14:55:50 GMT -6
We know precisely where Camp thought places like Weirs hill and Edgerly peaks, Sharpshooter's Hill, Custer's route highlights, etc. were. As posted numerous times, Camp also provided very specific bearings and distances (and even descriptions) to (about) them, in relation to other known locations. Fortunately this data can often easily confirm locations / be verified to match reality. That’s why we can say, and know, his survey maps are not perfect, but are informative none the less. For instance, when he decribes Custer's route down South Coullee - per Curley, you can see exactly what he is talking about, even without the "A"...  Curley: "On the first line of bluffs back from the river there are two high peaks marked “A” on the map, now called Reno peaks. For some distance south of these there is a high ridge running parallel with the river, but not so high as the peaks.
Custer’s command passed into the valley of a tributary of Reno Creek just behind this ridge and the peaks and went down it, going in a direction directly north and coming out into the bed of Reno Creek about a mile from its mouth at ford B"
Luckily we know he updated his survey map - as Donahue said, his "early maps were do do", but more correct version is available...  |
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Post by herosrest on Nov 10, 2023 13:45:18 GMT -6
(Camp note: Mechling says Grover found a body in the place where I know Charley was buried or killed, so it must have been Charley's.) (Hardorff note: the present marker for Charley Vincent is about 1/2 a mile farther south than the actual kill site location, presumably chosen to better facilitate the traffic congestion associated with an interpretive sign.) Hardorff, Camp, Custer and the Little Bighorn.
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