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Post by AZ Ranger on Dec 27, 2015 10:16:58 GMT -6
View AttachmentDucemusThere is a little deep ravine behind Keogh's swale Honest. In fact there are several but not all so deep. Best wishes. I could not fathom the shadow in foreground. It could not be a shadow. they fall relative to sun position. It is a shadow and therefore indicates orientation. HR That box you drew on the Google map is a great place but it is not on the battlefield. That area is across 212. That dirt road is where we rode coming out on highway 212. The picture I believe has the river in the background indicated by the trees. Regards AZ Ranger
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Post by Beth on Dec 27, 2015 13:43:55 GMT -6
That is what I thought too. You tend to only see trees like that around a water source.
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Post by herosrest on Nov 2, 2016 18:27:07 GMT -6
View AttachmentDucemus There is a little deep ravine behind Keogh's swale Honest. In fact there are several but not all so deep. Best wishes. I could not fathom the shadow in foreground. It could not be a shadow. they fall relative to sun position. It is a shadow and therefore indicates orientation. DucemusOK, drew some comment here on creativity and observation. Plant life or shadow? The cardinal orientation applied to D.F. Barry's image of skirmishers is a camera looking slightly west of north from battle ridge and viewing towards and over the box on 212. Rather than looking west or slightly south of west across LBH valley, the view in concept and expressed on the Google Earth terrain map is, slightly west of north. Mind boggling but the terrain fits. A skirmish line where one was! Rather than where students and historians want them to be. Try viewing north from the Indian Monument into Custer Creek. Same observation producing terrain to match that in Barry's image.
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Post by herosrest on Mar 18, 2018 11:48:42 GMT -6
Link to a li'l bit o' fun (if'n y'az 10 minutes for a coffee break. Enjoy!
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Post by herosrest on Apr 12, 2018 11:07:36 GMT -6
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Post by herosrest on Mar 3, 2021 18:18:51 GMT -6
Keogh's boot?
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Post by noggy on Mar 4, 2021 15:44:11 GMT -6
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Post by herosrest on Mar 16, 2021 8:47:35 GMT -6
Hi, I quote from the amusement arcade but unfortunately it may also be the history - no one will ever know (for sure). In the mounting apocalypse, the next to fall was most likely Captain Myles Keogh and company I. Some evidence suggests that Keogh’s demise may have begun in Medicine Tail Coulee where he led the assault on the Cheyenne camp. A shoe and bloody canvas legging with Keogh’s name on it, found at the MTC crossing after the battle, suggests he may have been wounded there. Keogh and company I, sequestered in reserve from the initial firestorm on Calhoun Hill protected the horses. When found, Keogh had been hit by a bullet in the knee that probably severed his femoral artery. Surrounded by scores of loyal protectorates who died in a bunch, Keogh’s body was found unmolested, possibly as a result of a Catholic medallion suspended around his neck, which warriors might have viewed as powerful medicine. Source - Incredible. NPS. How about, Keogh's big toe! Did it tap? I happen to know the source within NPS and am happy to confide if you let me have $2.1 million to buy a Custer battle flag. ps I can advise in definate terms, with evidence, as to why Keogh was not mutilated. It is related to Sitting Bull's later death in an unusual way. Clue < He was the original Clint Eastwood.
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Post by herosrest on Oct 7, 2023 8:51:44 GMT -6
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Post by Diane Merkel on Oct 7, 2023 9:05:25 GMT -6
I watched it.
I still don't get it.
I live in Realville.
Diane
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Post by herosrest on Oct 7, 2023 9:57:15 GMT -6
I found it amusing and the series could be entertaining. Each to their own, of course.
Regards.
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Post by herosrest on Oct 8, 2023 3:38:17 GMT -6
The modern RBDS is not where Reno and his command began to arrive and reorganise on reaching ridge tops running up the bluffs. The command was located some 500 yards further along towards northeast. With the arrival of Bentten's battalion, Company D were deployed as skirmishers and that was obviously covering routes downriver and below the bluffs. Therefore, mindset locating events during this period should focus on the bluffs a third of a mile below the later seige area. One of the difficulties with all accounts from participants is the subjective value of given distances with about a mile being not exactly a mile and simply impressions, albeit by professionals with years of such experience. This type of information does not relate well, or effectively into pedant study or opinion and invariably breeds false conclusions streaming strands of subsequent falsity in the way that snowballs are 'supposed' to accumulate mass in rolling down snow covered slope. Captain Weir, demonstrating a great deal of impatience, mounted his horse and set out to the north to determine the whereabouts of Custer. Lieutenant Winfield Edgerly, assuming that Weir was under orders, mounted Company D and followed him. Captain Wier and Company D reached a high point about one mile to the north, where they stopped to observe the country. The point, now known as Wier Point, is about the farthest north any of the Reno command went. When the pack train reached Reno’s position, Reno sent Lieutenant Luther Hare to tell Weir that the rest of the command was about to follow him. Companies H, K, and M under Benteen joined Weir as the rest of the command with the wounded began to move north. Archaeological perspectives on the battle of the Little Bighorn by Scott. Scott has provided a general non-controversial impression of events which is brilliantly good for all but 0.00001% of those with any interest in the events at 'Reno' Hill, which of course unfolded in phases over time under the fog of war and obfuscation of later collusion presented in 1879. It was what it was, a military seige during which some one hundred were killed or wounded. The Reno Benteen Defence Site, is not where Reno and his command reached the top of the bluffs in retreating from the valley. It may well be that Reno arrived precisely upon the spot from which, Custer and Martin observed the valley before moving north. I'm not dreaming it up. The exact spot where Custer was seen waving his hat, is where Reno arrived. George! George! Where are you, dammit!!!!
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Post by herosrest on Oct 13, 2023 12:55:48 GMT -6
Some of what follows is probably true. Some is not. Who Carey's.............
There is record of at least twenty-two (22) letters from Walter Mason Camp to Elizabeth Bacon Custer with the majority after 1917. On May 19, 1920, he wrote about errors and deficiencies in the marking Little Bighorn Battlefield. I seem to remember a number (possibly) of letters written to Godfrey in same vein. He also probed the army in various ways for information about battlefield works.
However, what is truly fascinating about his work and works is the rapturous fiddle playing loosely over his demise as the noted hamonica player Gen. W.C. Brown accompanied by Robert Ellison, moved the papers to Denver, Colorado, and began to sort and classify and pssibly misplace them. Robert Ellison and General Brown corresponded from 1933 to 1945 during which time Brown gradually transferred most of the Camp files to Ellison. While he had the files, Brown identified the subject of some of the photographs and solicited additional Camp letters from Earl Brininstool.
Both Ellison and Brown utilized the interview notes for research while they had them and Brown retained some Camp materials, especially photographs, which he interfiled with his own collection and which are preserved at University of Colorado Library.
In some cases Brown and Ellison added information to the Camp manuscripts in the form of notes and commentary. General Brown wrote rather freely and usually in red or blue pencil with a bold stroke. Ellison rarely wrote on the manuscripts; when he did it was in a tight, neat, at-time-hurried script. For samples of Brown's and Ellison's handwriting see the William Carey Brown collection, BYU-Mss 1474 and the Ellison Collection, BYU-Mss 782. Also, while the files were in Ellison’s possession they were used by Charles Kuhlman in January 1939. (BYU-Mss 1401, box 4, folder 15.)
Brown left explanatory summarizations of the contents of Camp’s notes; he wrote in blue or red pencil on the envelopes in which Camp stored his notes. Thinks................. he wrote on more than envelopes!
Robert Ellison died August 16, 1947. In accordance with his wishes, Ellison’s widow had the bulk of his library and papers, including a substantial segment of the Camp Papers, burnt and willed the ashes to Alma Mater
Mrs. Ellison willed additional materials to the Lilly Library at her death, on March 13, 1967. Another segment of the Robert Ellison papers including additional Camp notes found its way to the Denver Public Library. The remaining Ellison papers and library were purchased by Fred Rosenstock, who transferred books and the manuscripts to his bookstore and his home, with the manuscripts sold to BYU in installments between 1968 and 1981. The purchase included some of the papers created by Robert Ellison, which are cataloged separately.
Vida Ellison died in 1967, willing the library to her sister who lived in a small mountain town, Florissant, some twenty miles west of Colorado Springs. In 1974, the Harold B. Lee Library commissioned Kenneth Hammer of the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater to inventory and organize the Camp and Ellison collections in preparation for a planned publication of the best of the Camp interview notes and related source materials related to Custer and the Battle of the Little Bighorn. Hammer arranged the two collections to reflect his chief concern in preparing to edit the book, namely the grouping of materials according to subject to facilitate access.
Subsequent to publication Custer in ‘76, staff restructured the collections to reflect the work of Camp and Ellison (i.e. if either man created or collected an item, it was made a part of his archives regardless of its subject content) while ease of access for patrons was retained through the use of an index.
Of course Robert Doran had extensive access to the notes over fifty years* and as can be seen through his Horsemanship book, which tells it like it was based upon the old maps from Hardin.
* How is a remarkable story and for the next post as title 'Thirty-five pounds and two gallons'.
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Post by herosrest on Oct 30, 2023 8:10:22 GMT -6
There seem to be opinions in the wild recently for save the last man type issues comparing Von Paulus and Reno. Obviously, defeat was not inevitable at Stalingrad or Little Bighorn, when commanders took very different courses of action, with one abandoning combat whilst the other held on to a very bitter end. The German army were not a defeated force when the Russian counter-offensives to encircle Stalingrad began. That is the simple reality of the opening game and its gambits. The German forces were increasingly hamstrung by logistics failures and strategic shortages of oil with Russian military reserves becoming limitless as re-located production from the Urals flooded the theatre with heavy weapons which literally rolled out factories onto flat-bed railcars shipped straight to the front, and the armies held in the Far-East released to join battle in the west, as it became certain that Japan would not strike against Russia. Stalingrad was ordered to stand. The German arny planned to break in to Von Paulus, here is that story - A Study in Command
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