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Post by Beth on Mar 26, 2015 2:10:02 GMT -6
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Post by mac on Mar 26, 2015 2:54:50 GMT -6
Very interesting Beth and amazing how this kind of stuff just turns up. Cheers
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 26, 2015 6:14:57 GMT -6
Beth that painting of the "charge" was done by a woman, I can't recall her name but seeing she never would have been in a position to witness such a charge she certainly captured the essence, just look at the movement and the expression on the faces of the men and horses, magnificent.
Ian.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 26, 2015 7:10:53 GMT -6
" But see how proudly her war steeds are prancing Deep groves of steel trodden down in their path The eyes of my sons like their bright swords are glancing Triumphantly riding through ruin and death Bold hearts and nodding plumes wave o'er their bloody tombs Deepeyed in gore is the green tartan's wave Shivering are the ranks of steel dire is the horseman's wheel Victorious in battlefield Scotland the brave"
The painting is Scotland Forever by Lady Butler.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 26, 2015 7:40:04 GMT -6
Well done Chuck, I used to call it "The Charge of the Scots Greys" I use to have grand designs and had dreams of owning a large Victorian house with a study containing large bookshelves and a writing desk, plus one of them huge globes that double as a drinks cabinet, I would have the walls adorned with grand military paintings and that would be one of them, I would of course have my Monets, Turners and Constables in the drawing room and lounge.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 26, 2015 8:01:59 GMT -6
Well I share your dreams Ian, but in my current circumstance, being hitched to She Who Must Be Obeyed, my military and naval art is confined to the book littered man cave, where she dares not to trod.
I have the obligatory Remington. plus West Virginia passing under the Brooklyn Bridge, Arizona leaving Pearl in 1936, Ranger in all he pre-war glory, and Sierra Ten (the sub piers) Pearl Harbor that features Swordfish and a unknown Permit class boat. The only reason that I know it is Swordfish is that the former Captain of Swordfish told me so, for the painting was done while she was berthed there.
Lady Butler's painting is one of my favorites.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 26, 2015 8:51:27 GMT -6
How is your better half at the moment, I hope she is up and about and keeping you on your toes. I know a great set up for breakfast in bed
Pot Tea Two Soft Boiled Eggs Toast Soldiers Fresh orange juice Napkin Morning Papers A few fresh flowers in a small glass Served on a nice tray
Ian.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 26, 2015 9:00:48 GMT -6
Sure did Ian. Do it every day. Bet the rent money on it.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 26, 2015 9:07:44 GMT -6
Good stuff, keep up the good work on the Alamo PM and here is the image I mentioned; Ian.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 26, 2015 10:24:18 GMT -6
That image is ok once you click on it. Remember our little chats about Infantry tactics? You may enjoy this (although you probably know it by heart) linkIan.
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Post by Beth on Mar 26, 2015 15:08:23 GMT -6
I love Lady Butler's work however one of the things I find annoying with the 1970 Waterloo movie is how they kept setting up 'living pictures' of her work.
Beth
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Post by quincannon on Mar 26, 2015 17:22:50 GMT -6
Ian I would not put much stock in that drawing. Those guns behind the palisade are going to have a little difficulty firing through the fallen trees complete with branches and dead foliage that fronted that position as a makeshift obstacle. There may have been one gun there mounted higher to clear the palisade crib and the fallen trees, probably was, but I doubt if there were more than that.
Three twelve pound guns in that apse in the back of the chapel is a little much as well. It is not very big. There were evidently three guns there, but they were either not 12 pounders or that earthwork and platform inside the chapel wall was a lot bigger than most believe. If it was bigger that may present some issues on the angle of the ramp that led up there.
The problem that all these drawing present is that there were a goodly number of artillery pieces in the Alamo, but not all of them mounted or operational. Artists take these numbers and feel they have to account for all of them. Best layout I have seen is on page 122 of Blood of Noble Men, a drawing done by Zaboly. Zaboly has updated and modified his drawings over the years as new information is developed. I say this is the best gun layout I have seen. There may be some better, for Zaboly has done more recent work. The reason I like this once is being familiar with what needed to be covered by guns, it fulfills those requirements.
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Post by Beth on Mar 28, 2015 21:33:27 GMT -6
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Post by Beth on Apr 3, 2015 18:42:52 GMT -6
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Post by Yan Taylor on Apr 4, 2015 7:31:27 GMT -6
Beth I cannot access the link, but I get the gist of your story.
Ian.
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