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Post by fred on Jan 9, 2015 14:11:32 GMT -6
Reno was ordered to attack the village, create a distraction... Just out of curiosity, where does it say Reno was to "create a distraction"? Really? A "flanking attack"? This was Custer's plan? Where did Reno fail to follow his orders? Where did he fall to pieces under fire? He didn't? What the hell are you reading? How did Benteen fail to follow orders? Well, you're correct about the results, but as for his officers failing him, I think you might want to take another look at this whole thing. Young man, you couldn't be more wrong in your entire assessment of this battle. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 14:11:37 GMT -6
Tom, not sure what happened to my earlier post. Tried to reply to yours but it didn't post my comment....
Tried to say that the reason I joined the board was to hear and learn from more knowledgable folks on this subject. If I am flat out wrong on something; tell me. I'm a big boy :-)
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Post by fred on Jan 9, 2015 14:13:49 GMT -6
Tried to say that the reason I joined the board was to hear and learn from more knowledgable folks on this subject. If I am flat out wrong on something; tell me. Scarface, Now that is what I wished to see. Very good! Then you have come to the right place. Welcome. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Jan 9, 2015 14:19:33 GMT -6
SF, the position Reno found himself in was through Custer, the position Benteen found himself in again was through Custer, none of these officers acted without orders, and this left one officer with a beat up battalion and another with looking after this beat up battalion plus another containing the pack train, you simply cannot just ride off just after a major engagement in which one battalion of men had been badly beaten, plus what if there was another attack and Benteen had gone over the bluffs, the pack train and what was left of Reno’s battalion, would be left wide open to attack.
Ian.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Jan 9, 2015 14:22:46 GMT -6
Then I hope you stay SF, as your posts have lit this site up like a firework.
Ian.
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Post by Beth on Jan 9, 2015 14:37:48 GMT -6
Scarface, welcome.
I am a relatively new member so I was in your shoes not so long ago. I think I had probably read the exact same books that you have because I had many of the same assumptions. Please know that when it comes to LBH nothing is black or white, there are no villians and there are no concrete answers. My personal belief is more towards it was a whole lot of people doing the best they could in a situations that was changing faster than lightning so they had to react to the situation and not be proactive. Please put all the more novelized books about Custer and the battle aside and learn from people who have studied this battle and the people involved for decades.
Beth
Edited to add: I got my 3rd star! I feel like Clarence finally getting his wings.
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Post by tubman13 on Jan 9, 2015 14:46:27 GMT -6
First, Fred, this is the first time I noticed Shirtwearer above your avitar. Mine will soon become expert shirthead, or something like that.
Scarface, I for one will not tell any one they are flat out wrong, as I have not been endowed with the right. Many feel that Reno and/or Benteen could have/should have done more, after they join forces. But, one must remember the packs did not arrive for sometime after Benteen, wounded needed to be addressed, Reno's men need more ammunition, and a plan of action should have been decided upon. One does not run into a battle without a plan, or you end up much like Custer did, the NA's were taking no prisoners. I only ask you to find the plan that Custer laid out to his officers to implement. Not just issuing orders, if the plan he may have had in his head went bad, what were the fall back positions/options. I have never seen any of it. I am trying to sell Fred's book, but it is the most straight forward, non agenda drive work I have seen on the subject. He did the book with the time lines as his main objective, I think, but it turned out to deliver much more. I have some divergent ideas about this battle from many here. You don't need to hear them now. I would love to get this group together at a campground down from the battlefield, set up a tape recorder to capture the shout fest. Also I could go down the road to the trading post and buy hamburgers for all but the resident epicurean.
Regards, Tom
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Post by chris on Jan 9, 2015 14:51:02 GMT -6
Hello Scarface, Welcome. As you posted you are very new to the subject - what have you read about it? Best, c.
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Post by tubman13 on Jan 9, 2015 14:53:34 GMT -6
Probably something you wrote Chris.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 15:18:52 GMT -6
Obviously nowhere near enough!!
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Post by chris on Jan 9, 2015 15:31:41 GMT -6
Scarface:
What have you read about the LBH? I started with Son of the Morning Star (SOTMS) in 1985 I think. ES Connell is the author.
Had a childhood fascination with LBH prior to that. Connell's book has something in common with Fred's: Strategy of Defeat. Or maybe it's Fred has something in common with Connell (folks here are picky sometimes).
Both let you make up your mind. Best, c.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 15:51:46 GMT -6
Custer's Last Campaign by Boyer and Custer by McMurtry.
Read a bit in Internet sites too. I'm a novice....more reading to do.
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Post by fred on Jan 9, 2015 15:56:11 GMT -6
Scarface,
Don't pay a lot of attention to me... I get real grouchy with this stuff at times.
I would, however, like to know the books you have read and where you formed your opinions. Then we could have some extremely good discussions.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by fred on Jan 9, 2015 15:58:58 GMT -6
Custer's Last Campaign by Boyer... You mean by Dr. John S. Gray, right? This one may be the absolute worst book ever written on the subject. It has more errors-- so I have been told-- than Sarah Palin's vice-presidential campaign. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by chris on Jan 9, 2015 16:05:51 GMT -6
Custer's Last Campaign by Boyer and Custer by McMurtry. Read a bit in Internet sites too. I'm a novice....more reading to do. Oh. Best, c.
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