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Post by herosrest on Apr 17, 2023 18:29:08 GMT -6
You have one knob of butter for either toast, waffles, pancakes or prairie oysters - where will you melt it? The knoblauch Find and the realities of 1926 at Little Bighorn when 7th Cavalry charged over the lower fords below the monument, on land which had belonged to the Custer scout Curley - Ford Ashisheshe. Here's a battle conundrum - How did Col. W.A. Graham know that Trumpeter John Martin, met Boston Custer on the bluffs? Over to you.............
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Post by herosrest on Apr 21, 2023 6:13:32 GMT -6
Here's a battle conundrum - How did Col. W.A. Graham know that Trumpeter John Martin, met Boston Custer on the bluffs? Over to you............. HR W.A. Graham interviewed John Martin 46 years after the battle. Martin died shortly after. I am sure you already knew this. Interestingly enough....Martini placed Boston on the same hill that he did at the RCOI. Don't you find that amazing HR? Or is it an anomaly? Good Lord...... We are going to have some difficulty disagreeing your comments but i'm sure there is a way. Regards.
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Post by johnson1941 on Apr 21, 2023 12:23:00 GMT -6
Dont forget the (1910) Camp & Martin discussion re: Boston; (at link, also note discrepancies/details with RCOI testmony about where he left Custer, how he got the message, seeing village further down MTC, etc)... www.astonisher.com/archives/museum/john_martin2_little_big_horn.html"...I kept on up the north and south coulee and soon met a mounted man whom I recognized as one of C troop, but whose name I did not know. He inquired where the command was, and I told him down the coulee quite a distance and that he had better fall back to the pack train, as he would likely be cut off by the Indians before reaching the command, but he kept on. After this I met Boston Custer8 and went on to Benteen." .. (Camp MSS field notes, Custer's Trail at Little Bighorn, folder 6, Lilly Library.) 6. Thinks he left Custer 2 miles north of Reno Hill. After he left Custer he traveled up hill for some distance. (Ibid.) 7. Met Boston Custer half way between medium coulee and Weir Hill. Boston asked me where Custer was and if he had been attacked and I said no. Soon after... met the two men. After this I heard a volley and looked back and saw Custer retreating back from the river. (Camp MSS, field notes, John Martin, folder 3, Lilly Library.) 8. On his way to Benteen with the message he met first Boston Custer on the bluffs and farther along on the bluffs two enlisted men who were together and inquired for Custer's command. This is another good proof that Custer hesitated and stopped some considerable time after he came in sight of village. (Camp MSS, field notes, unclassified envelope 130, Lilly Library.) About meeting Boston Custer, when going back with message and after, he heard firing. Told him he had better look out as there were Indians around and Boston Custer said: "Well I am going to join the command anyhow. .." It would seem that if the meeting of Boston Custer was a fact Custer must have remained some time in vicinity of ford or else Boston Custer must have cut a big circuit and joined command on the high ground. However, it might have been Reno's firing that Martin heard, in which case Boston Custer may have had time to overtake the General before reaching Ford B. The meeting of Boston Custer and the fact that he died with the General can hardly be reconciled by any other explanation. And From 1908... "When Martin got to top of ridge he looked down in village and saw Indians charging like swarm of bees toward the ford, waving buffalo hides. At the same time he saw Custer retreating up the open country in the direction of the battlefield. (He did not tell this at the Reno court of inquiry because he was not asked the question. He thinks that in Reno court of inquiry it was not desired that he should tell all he knew and said that afterward he never was invited by officers to discuss what he knew of the battle and never volunteered to do so.)"
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Post by herosrest on Apr 21, 2023 16:21:01 GMT -6
I think it was in interview with Camp, that Martin mentioned his reticence besides language difficulties at the Chicago '79 bash, where he didn't tell all that he knew. Not unusual at all and a rider over his information.
The relevant significance to Custer, of Boston sighting Benteen's march is minor at best since the dust trails of pack trains and Benteen's battalion would have been seen by the CO from the bluffs when he went up there to observe the valley and was looking all around with field glasses. Kanipe saw the packtrain's dust with naked eyes, so Custer would certainly have located Benteen up the creek.
Martin did not mention Boston during testimony because it would embarrass Reno and Benteen. Martin was in Benteen's company. Benteen was there. 'Ah, trumpeter!'. Heels click, snaps off crisp salute (no eye contact). 'Yes Captain?..........
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