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Post by quincannon on Mar 3, 2013 20:48:19 GMT -6
SR: After Custer split his force there was no bluff left in the bag of tricks.
Rewriting history serves no purpose. No that is not what I am asking. What I am saying is that there would only have been one opportunity to bluff the hostiles. It was not taken. I just thought you might like to take a stab at what it was.
While you are away look at the message to Benteen. We discussed that earlier too. What two words of that message tell us an asounding amount about this battle?
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 4, 2013 4:35:42 GMT -6
Hi Chuck; when you mentioned about ‘’True volley fire must be controlled by the voice of one man’’, it may be that the two volley were fired on Calhoun Hill by L Company, if Lt. Calhoun had his Company formed into two separate groups (or Platoons), one under the control of Lt. Crittenden and another 1st Sergeant Butler, they could have fire one volley each, maybe they fired in this way as a show of force, and then reverted to ‘’pick your own target boys’’ single shot firing.
Gatewood; it was also St David’s day last Friday; he was the patron Saint of Wales.
Richard; yes Wales is a Principality and Prince Charles is currently holding the title, the last Welch Native to hold the title was Owain Glyndŵr, he was behind a revolt which was suppressed, he then disappeared. Recently there were some Welch nationals (terrorist) called the Sons of Glyndŵr, they firebombed the homes owned by English people living in Wales, all an all they struck over 200 times.
But they have had Kings or rulers in the past. Rhodri Mawr Gruffydd ap Llywelyn
Don’t ask me to pronounce any of these names, as usual with the Welch language, everything sounds like a man trying clear his throat.
Ian.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 4, 2013 10:59:28 GMT -6
Ian: Certainly a possability. two platoons of say less than twenty each is a scant show of force, but maybe.
Saint David's Day was celebrated on the local classical music station with great pomp and circumstance, almost like a continual never ending rerun of Zulu.
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Post by wild on Mar 4, 2013 17:54:29 GMT -6
Hi Ian I think you will find that the burnt houses were holiday homes. I found you lot were just as much loved in Scotland.As you say we are a happy close group. I will be in Manchester shortly.I cant recall where you said you were but if you were close by I'll buy you a pint.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 5, 2013 4:30:33 GMT -6
Hi Chuck; I just had a notion that Keogh might have sent his largest formation to spread out along the ridge and hang tough, maybe each Platoon fired one volley each for ranging purposes, and then proceeded to fire at individual targets.
I must say that the Welch national anthem has a beautiful melody, if you can get hold of the tune without any Welsh singing on it, you will know what I am talking about. I am one who advocates that the English Rugby Union Team should change its anthem, at the moment its God Save The Queen, Wales and Scotland have their own Anthems, but the Queen is the head of the nation, we should change to Swing Low Sweet Chariots, because that’s what the English crowed sings when England play, any way it’s will stop the Welsh, Scottish and Irish booing God Save the Queen.
Chuck; did the Radio station play any Harry Secombe songs. Hi Richard, thank you it’s a nice gesture; I live about 30 miles from Manchester. It was still a terrorist act though Richard, we went to Wales last summer and took the Grandson with us, just as we crossed over the border, there was foot bridge spanning the duel carriage way, and someone had painted ‘’English F*** off’’.
I always stand by the idea that we as a nation lived together in relative peace, it was Invaders like the Romans and Normans who went about the place killing and murdering, and because the various Kings were from Norman stock, this subjugation continued for years after William the Conqueror popped his clogs.
Ian.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 5, 2013 4:46:52 GMT -6
Ian: I have always been partial to Waltzing Matilda., that and Bless E'm All. Perhaps it is from so many of my dad's friends, Marines serving in the South Pacific in the early days of WWII, and their fond memories of Australia and the Australian people. Love the sound track from Victory at Sea also, particularly Under the Southern Cross and the Guadalcanal March, and for the same reason.
We have a great fondness for the Queen here. Understand she was released from hospital yesterday. I remember when she was very young and had been on the thrown perhaps three or four years and she made her first visit as Queen to Washington DC. One of the stops on her trip was a local Safeway (grocery store). Reports were that she was amazed at the level of stockage. That struck me as strange. It was only later that I discovered that the UK was just then begining to fully recover from short rations, and the toll war had taken on the British Isles.
If you wonder why I am up and active at this ungodley hour of the morning, when eight cats and a dog want you to sleep, you sleep and only then. Snookie and Tinker are the worst, as they were in fine form at 2:00 AM today. It does give me an opportunity though to make final preperations for my one and only of the year model ship show this weekend.
Poor Billy, never had a really good day since Hastings.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 5, 2013 5:21:14 GMT -6
Good Morning Chuck, I am a pleasantly surprized to find you still awake, it’s not very often we talk to each other in real time, I am usually responding to your posts when you are tucked up in bed, and vice versa. I used to be a jolly little boy, one of the habits I had was humming American Military Tunes, I picked them up from the various American war films that were shown over here, my Father picked up on then straight away and asked ‘’how come you know all these tunes, they are all American’’. Yes; here Majesty has had a bad case of the trots, but she (and Prince Philip) are made of stern stuff, she will be back to normal in the next few days. This what King Billy could do when he felt a little Pissed Off. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrying_of_the_NorthRichard; I don’t mean King Billy from Holland. Enjoy your modelling Chuck. Ian.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 5, 2013 5:27:57 GMT -6
I always like Phil too. I suppose her detractors would say she has had a bad case of the trots for a lifetime. She adds dignity to what would otherwise would be the vulgar brawl of democracy.
My favorite of the non borrowed American strictly military tunes is one you don't ofter hear "Down From Heaven Comes Eleven" Reminds me onf the old days at Benning School For Boys. Now you figure where it comes from, and what it is associated with. Figure out the answer, and I will send the Queen something to settle her stomach.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 5, 2013 5:59:54 GMT -6
Well Chuck I never shirk a challenge;
Pvt Aubrey Eberhardt stationed at fort Benning, decided to go to the movies, and the film that night was Geronimo, Eberhardt said to his friends that he would shout the word ‘’Geronimo’’ when he jumped on his next drop, to keep his mind off the actual jump.
It caught on; later Lt. Col Byron of the 11th AD wrote the actual song. ‘’Down from Heaven Comes Eleven’’= Eleven Paratroop’s to each plane.
Ian.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 5, 2013 6:42:13 GMT -6
And it became the official song of the 11th Airborne Division (Angels), which was the test unit for the Air Assault concept, to which my unit was attached to from time to time for testing purposes.
Don't know about the eleven paratroops to each plane. The Dakota held sixteen for most drops I think, but who knows
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 5, 2013 7:22:30 GMT -6
Maybe the used different aircraft for training purposes, something along the lines of a Douglas B-18, but you are right; there should be at least twelve men to a squad.
Ian.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 5, 2013 7:57:50 GMT -6
Ian: I seem to remember, and that;s al it is working on memory, that the DC-3 as an airliner could hold 26 passengers. The C47 could hold 24 troops as a troop transport, and either sixteen or eighteen paratroops. The test platoon at Benning used the DC-2 (forget the military model number) for the initial tests. The B-18 was a bomberized version of the DC-2/3. They were used a lot for training during the war and you hardly hear mention of them. Mostly bombadier training, and basic multi-engine work.
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Post by montrose on Mar 5, 2013 9:00:42 GMT -6
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 5, 2013 9:27:58 GMT -6
Will; is the film being shown called ‘’the odd angry shot’’? If I was Welsh, I would have done a version similar to this; www.youtube.com/watch?v=NurCjT6h_FgGreat tune, but being English I just can’t bring myself to play it, we play the Welsh in a week or so at Rugby Union, so I must stand by my country and refrain from any involvement with the Welsh Dragon. Ian.
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