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Post by Yan Taylor on Aug 3, 2011 9:53:08 GMT -6
Hi, I have just been looking at the Custer battle field and I noticed the Skirmish Lines that were formed, A, Coy L Skirmish Line (Calhoun hill) B, Coy C Skirmish Line (Calhoun Coulee) C, Coy E Skirmish Line (Cemetery Ridge) But could there have been two more lines of resistance ?, E, were they found the Bodies of Sgt Finley and Sgt Finkle (C Coy) D, were they found the bodies of about 12 men near the Lt Porter marker. Regards Ian.
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Post by Dark Cloud on Aug 3, 2011 13:03:57 GMT -6
Really? There are theorized skirmish lines by some, but no evidence that is exclusive to that interpretation or in any way mandates it. Anything could have happened, we don't and cannot know.
You can spend all day asking 'could this or that' have happened, and the answer would mostly be yes, it could have, and you end the day no further along than at the beginning. A chorale rendition of Straight Outta Compton could have broken out for all we know.
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Post by zekesgirl on Aug 3, 2011 16:20:45 GMT -6
By the same token, you could make a skirmish line from Keogh to Custer but I'm pretty sure that didn't happen either.
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Post by benteen on Aug 3, 2011 16:33:22 GMT -6
ZGal/DC
I agree with your sentiments . We can throw out some theories for enjoyments sake, but we will never know who said or did whatever. All we know is that it was a rout (And probably a very quick one) I believe in large part, being one group, the warriors, were fighting for their families and homes. The other group, the soldiers, were fighting for $13 a month.
Be Well Dan
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Post by rosebud on Aug 3, 2011 17:40:00 GMT -6
I believe in large part, being one group, the warriors, were fighting for their families and homes. The other group, the soldiers, were fighting for $13 a month. benteen
Wow....So if they pay them better they will fight better, or ...Hey they aren't paying us enough, lets let the Indians kill us, that will teach them a lesson.
I would think that fighting for your life would be enough to motivate all of the participants.
Custer was making the decisions, he was making more than $13 a month.
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Post by jag on Aug 3, 2011 23:59:33 GMT -6
I believe in large part, being one group, the warriors, were fighting for their families and homes. The other group, the soldiers, were fighting for $13 a month. benteenWow....So if they pay them better they will fight better, or ...Hey they aren't paying us enough, lets let the Indians kill us, that will teach them a lesson. I would think that fighting for your life would be enough to motivate all of the participants. Custer was making the decisions, he was making more than $13 a month. Custer was making the decisions, he was making more than $13 a month.Yup, and look where it got him. Couldn't buy his way out of it could he. He coulda had pockets full of it. And they still woulda, shoulda, coulda did what they did to him for try'n. Heard tell there twas a lot of the green stuff floating around the LBH river for days after and no one picked one up as if it twere valuable. Or something. It's similar to the value of human life. In a way. You know. When those braves who had been wounded came home from the fight. Lemme see here now, how many twere there at the Rosebud fight, why I heard tell there twere nigh on to 900 or so, and nary a one was wounded, nope and the one that was, died, yup, one, that's a documented fact, one out of 900. One was wounded and died from that there wound of his'n. Monumental that's what it be. Course.n I wouldn't a said a word agin it. Tends ta make them thar Injuns a mite bit scalpy when ya credit them with something like that. That's what I heard tell anywayz. And it's definitely like those skirmish lines. Just line em up and crack em off boys. Anywhere's a just fine.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Aug 4, 2011 3:39:28 GMT -6
Ok, I over stepped the mark with the two extra Skirmish Lines, but either way if you find groups of markers clumped of between 10 & 20, it has only four possibilities. 1. Men stopped and fought because they knew they could not out run the Indians and were surrounded 2. Men stopped and tried to beg for mercy and surrendered 3. The Indians dragged the bodies into one place after they were killed 4. The markers are all screwed up Regards Ian.
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Post by jag on Aug 4, 2011 4:24:41 GMT -6
Ok, I over stepped the mark with the two extra Skirmish Lines, but either way if you find groups of markers clumped of between 10 & 20, it has only four possibilities. 1. Men stopped and fought because they knew they could not out run the Indians and were surrounded 2. Men stopped and tried to beg for mercy and surrendered 3. The Indians dragged the bodies into one place after they were killed 4. The markers are all screwed up Regards Ian. They were just found dead there. Trying to figure out what the dead were doing there is like trying to read tea leaves. How they got there, why they got there has all been debated, and is still being debated, and there is just as many running to and fro episodes to give anyone epileptic fits just trying to figure it out because there is no logical reason for them to be as scattered as they were.
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Post by shan on Aug 4, 2011 4:24:44 GMT -6
Ian,
Several people on the board including myself have suggested you do a little reading before scattering questions all over the site like buckshot. Now I know that this takes a little time, and that the books can be expensive. But I use the library where possible and you will be surprised what they can dig out for you. The problem with the scatter gun approach is that you seem to rarely engage in a discussion on the subject you raised, but bounce on blithely to whatever has currently taken your attention. I'm sorry if this sounds as if it is a put down, but it leaves other posters wondering whether to bother to take the time out to answer your question for fear that you will have moved on.
With regards to your 4 possibilities regarding skirmish lines, its likely that elements of all four contributed to what we see today, but as far as I'm aware there was only one confirmed skirmish line, i.e.. that formed by L company, and we really have no idea how long it lasted or in what sequence it broke apart.
Hunk, yes I'm well as I hope you are, thanks for asking.
Shan
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Post by Yan Taylor on Aug 4, 2011 4:43:48 GMT -6
Shan, every time I qoute a passage from a book or something off the web, I find through the folks on this site, that most of it all not worth salt, its on this site that I find the more acurate data, I enjoy reading about this battle, and if I find a piece of info, like a group of markers between Calhoun Ridge and Battle Ridge, then I start to think that some guys may of had enough or were ralied by either a NCO or an Officer before they were killed, our local Library has no books on this subject and you have to send out of the County for them, and the maps and positions in some of them are wrong, one book I have read about fives years ago had Crittenden in charge of his own Company and positioned between Keogh and Custer ridge, now I would have taken that as gospel till the guys on this site have pointed out the real facts over this position. Regards Ian.
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Post by rosebud on Aug 4, 2011 7:25:36 GMT -6
Jag
Them thar $13 dollar a month fellers was kicken them injuns butts before and after the Custer massacree.
Now ya say the injuns only got one brave kilt at the rosebud. d,ya think they cut that feller up and stuck him in 3 lone tipis?
Them there students of the battle that keep tryen to tell us there are 3 lone tipis need to go back to skool and pay attention.
Shucks i bet ya never found one sojer that seen 3 lone tipis did ya?
Rb
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Post by jag on Aug 4, 2011 8:33:31 GMT -6
Jag Them thar $13 dollar a month fellers was kicken them injuns butts before and after the Custer massacree. Now ya say the injuns only got one brave kilt at the rosebud. d,ya think they cut that feller up and stuck him in 3 lone tipis? Them there students of the battle that keep tryen to tell us there are 3 lone tipis need to go back to skool and pay attention. Shucks i bet ya never found one sojer that seen 3 lone tipis did ya? Rb Try telling that one to McDougall. Or. Are you calling him a liar to?
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Post by benteen on Aug 4, 2011 8:47:36 GMT -6
I believe in large part, being one group, the warriors, were fighting for their families and homes. The other group, the soldiers, were fighting for $13 a month. benteenWow....So if they pay them better they will fight better, or ...Hey they aren't paying us enough, lets let the Indians kill us, that will teach them a lesson. . Rosebud, My example, which was obviously a poor one, had nothing to do with money. My point was that the warriors were far more motivated than the soldiers. Motivation is one of the factors along with leadership, weaponry, numbers, terrain, tactics etc that goes to determining the outcome of a battle. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Be Well Dan
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Post by rosebud on Aug 4, 2011 9:29:33 GMT -6
Jag Page 471 RCOI.....McDougal only tells of ONE....I repeat ONE.. lone tepee. So jag....If you are trying to put words into my mouth that I never said, at least use words that would be close to what I mean. I never called anyone a liar....I don't know how you came up with that word.....I think if you were going to put words into my mouth you MIGHT have come up with the word ....STUPID ....and it would have fit a little better. But as you should be able to see, I have not called anyone that either... RB
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Post by rosebud on Aug 4, 2011 9:54:10 GMT -6
Dan I think you are looking at this in a vacuum and discounting every thing else these $13 dollar a month soldiers were able to do.
Custer caught a grizzly bear off guard....That is never good, they will kill you. Gibbon could not catch them off guard, the Indians left and went up the Creek....Crook did not catch them off guard.. they came out and met him. Custer caught them off guard and they had to fight. They had no other choice. AND FIGHT THEY DID.
RB
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