Weir's reaction to Benteen

[desertlobster]

There is always the debate over Benteen's reaction to the messengers. If he wasn't slow, then why did Weir take off without permission at both the river, just as the pack train was arriving, and also on Reno Hill heading towards Custer?

I read that the ride from Reno Hill to Last Stand Hill is only 15 minutes. Is that correct or would 30 minutes be more accurate? Of course, I am assuming a fast pace.

[Reddirt]

When Benteen showed the message to Weir he made no comment. He may not have felt a need for alarm at that point.

I believe he left the command after hearing gun-firing coming from the north of Reno's Hill. He must have believe that Custer was engaged at that point. Of course he was.

His perceived tardiness in Reno's response to the sound of firing prompted him to leave as he did;abruptly!.

I believe the distance from Reno to Weir's Point was approximately a mile. How quickly the distance could be covered by horse wound depend upon terrain and, how hard the mounts were pushed.

[AZ Ranger]

Joe Ignoring proper recon as you move might allow quick travel but the consequence end up like the Custer battlefield.

[Reddirt]

Carmela, thank you.

[AZ Ranger]

May 29, 2009 11:09:51 GMT -6 Reddirt said:

Carmela, thank you.

Hi Joe

[Diane Merkel]

I try to keep out of everyone's business, but I'm going to make a statement anyway.

Over the almost five years this board has existed, it has developed into much more than just a bunch of strangers sharing information. The recent passing of Gordie is a perfect illustration. I'm still getting messages from people who are having a hard time with his passing, and I haven't even been able to write to his daughter yet because words seem so insufficient. I know I'm not the only one who has cried buckets over his passing. Gordie was more than a faceless name on a message board.

Carmela, or whatever you are calling yourself today, if you won't be honest about who you are, then don't expect anyone to care about anything you have to say. You have given me a different name in PMs, and you once listed yourself as residing in Destin, Florida, which is fifteen minutes away from me, and now list Oklahoma. Aliases are fine -- I don't expect anyone to give their name, sex, or location if they don't want to -- but, if you do, I expect you to be honest. Otherwise, you are nothing but a troll.

Diane

[Reddirt]

I was not aware of Gordie's passing when I made my post else I certainly would not have done so. I apologize for any harm I may have caused. when I initially registered as Walkingstar I did live in Destin. That was around June of 08. We have recently moved to Madill. In March of 09, I attempted to log on under Walkingstar but, was unable to do it. I chose a new name and the login worked.

I PMed you and asked your advise about not causing confusion with the new name. You advised me to place "formerly Walkingstar" under the new name which I did.

From June 08 until April 09 I have posted numerous time without comment from any board member accusing me of being other than whom I am. I don't believe I have posted anything that was abrasive or demeaning.

Is there a reason that would explain why Dark Cloud waited a year to to suddenly realize that I have a dozen personalities to include "Wiggs?"

In his post he himself referred to my having a different server than "Wiggs". Does this mean that for a year I've being going to another residence to post under red dirt when actually I'm "Wiggs" and a host of other characters? Does this actually make sense to anyone?

Finally, why would "Wiggs" or anyone else for that matter go through so much trouble just to post on this forum then tell no one else who he/she is. What would be the purpose?

This may be the most preposterous situation I have ever come across in my life. I have not referred to myself as
Carmela. I was being factious with AZ who started his post with "Joe" a man's name so I called him Carmela.

I regret and appolgize for any confusion I may have caused. I hope Dark Cloud and AZ will do the same.

[conz]

I'm afraid that paranoia is a symptom of this board due to the harsh personalities that often emote here.

Chill people...everyone is worthy in some way.

Clair

[Reddirt]

"Everyone is worthy in some way"

Thank you Conz. I know I should not let this mis-understanding bother me as much as it has. I think I'll take a few days to think about it..

[Diane Merkel]

I don't believe for a minute that you lived in Destin. I checked your IP address when you were "Morningstar" from Destin, and it was from Okaloma. I commented on it at the time. DC did call you out long ago when you were posting as "Pohanka."

Quit lying.

[AZ Ranger]

If Reddirt is not Joe Wiggs how would this person know that Joe was not aimed at desertlobster?

If anyone believes that Reddirt and Joe Wiggs were born in Baltimore and moved to Oklahoma into towns 26 miles apart on the same highway you probably don't believe Joe Wiggs and realbird were the same person.

[Melani]

And I thought we were going to discuss Benteen and Weir. Silly me.

One of the problems I have around here is the constant assumption that people are lying about themselves in their posts. I post to this board from three different computers--does that mean that three different people are posing as "Melani?" And who cares anyway?

The only time I have ever used a screen name other than my own--Melani--was on a Civil War board where it turned out that there was a rule that all posts must include a permanent signature with the poster's full real name. If everyone is so concerned about online identity, maybe that rule should be instituted here.

[AZ Ranger]

Jun 1, 2009 1:33:02 GMT -6 Melani said:

And I thought we were going to discuss Benteen and Weir. Silly me.

One of the problems I have around here is the constant assumption that people are lying about themselves in their posts. I post to this board from three different computers--does that mean that three different people are posing as "Melani?" And who cares anyway?

The only time I have ever used a screen name other than my own--Melani--was on a Civil War board where it turned out that there was a rule that all posts must include a permanent signature with the poster's full real name. If everyone is so concerned about online identity, maybe that rule should be instituted here.

There is a difference between using a "screen name" with a hidden identity and pretending to be someone you're not. I doubt anyone here for any length of time has any doubt of my real first name, since Gordie, Billy, and Larry used it all the time.

One should be free to disclose as much or little as they feel comfortable. Just be honest in what you disclose.

Where are the constant assumptions besides the multiple personalities of Joseph Anthony Wiggs? If you read the board where Joe is Joe Wiggs he does not deny that he was realbird. He does not deny that he posts under the name of Reddirt.

If you had as many posts and comments with Joseph Wiggs as DC, Wild, El Crab, etc you too could recognize his writing style, use of key words, smiley faces, and exclamation points. His comments on pictures are the same as Reddirt's.

After posting many posts you get a sense of where people live and what they do. I would expect to find Melani at LBH guiding a tour, Conz on his horses, cleaning up after them, or on PowerPoint making a map, DC in Boulder, Billy in Kansas or researching somewhere and on it goes. So what clues does anyone have for Realbird or Reddirt?

What always happens is the Joe in whichever persona eventually engages DC. It very clear from Against All Odds Message Board of his position. So rather than coming on here as Joe Wiggs with a long history he choses a persona to evoke sympathy for his position before he attacks DC.

I think DC hit the nail on the head. Joe on AAO states he married. So his defense is that Reddirt is not him. Could be his wife and Joe posts on it.

The multiple computers is not a problem. We all may do that but saying you're in Florida when you are really in Oklahoma is a different issue.

Sometimes paranoia is confused with investigative clues because the person making that statement doesn't have all of the history or facts. Can we be fooled. Sure but if anyone thinks it is waste of time they would be in the same company as my wife. She thinks it is all a waste of time. On the other hand I enjoy investigations.

My son and I flew to Billings this May to visit the LBH battlefield. We only had a three day weekend which meant one day at the battlefield. Another waste of time by both wives. We on the other were there opening till closing with very few other people and had a great time.

AZ Ranger

[Melani]

Once again--who cares? As dc said when defending himself after driving off Elisabeth and Doyle, people are free to ignore posts that offend them. Why not just ignore somebody that you think is baiting you and using multiple identities to do it? People can only hijack threads if the other posters let them. Which of course means that you probably should not respond to this, but get back to discussing Weir and Benteen, which I was rather looking forward to.

By the way, I thought Tricia was a guy when I first came here and she was posting as Leyton McClean. She changed her name on this and other boards at least four times without identifying herself.

Once again, if this is an issue, why not institute the signature rule they have on the West Coast Campaigner board? After the first warning, any posts that are not properly signed are deleted by the moderator. Identifying yourself by your full name should not be a problem for most of the world--after all, we do it all the time in daily life.

[Dark Cloud]

Apparently, Melanie, YOU care, since you particiapate on several threads and never let an ankle pass without an attempted piddle. Also, this one was not hardly hijacked, since we're still on page 1. If you were looking forward to a thread upon Weir and Benteen, this one started in February, for heavens sake. Nearly ample time for you to have participatated or the subject to have bloomed.

McLean's pretends annoyed as well.

If you were given to being truthful, and you are not, you'd mention that DC for the longest time has advocated much the same as you now dramatically announce with the added addenda of being anonymous and the user ID was just a number. It should not matter who you are, or think you are, but what you post and can defend.