Sun Rise

[andrew]

Rising Sun or Sun Rise (Sans arc)
I don't know what his fate.
May be he had another name?
andrew

[biggordie]

Andrew:

The site to post your question is www.american-tribes.com

Gordie

[Diane Merkel]

The only Rising Sun we list on the Indian site was Northern Cheyenne. Gordie is correct. Try posting your question on the message boards at the other site.

[andrew]

Thanks,
Miles accepted as hostage five prominent chiefs, including Red Shirt, Black
Eagle, Sun Rise, Foolish Thunder, and Sitting Bull's nephew, White Bull.
(fron book Gary Clayton Anderson) All Sans Arcs.
Andrew

[andrew]

(from Crazy Horse: A Lakota Life - p. 454, Kingsley M. Bray)
"Rising Sun and Crazy Thunder (Sans Arcs) left Cheyenne River with their families about February 4, 1878, ostensibly for the relocated Red Cloud Agency: their real purpose may have been to join the northern Lakotas then fleeing to Canada. "
What happen to Rising Sun in the future?
Andrew

[ephriam]

Andrew:

We do not know a great deal about Rising Sun. His name in Lakota was probably Wihinapa. As you already noted, he was one of the hostages turned over to Colonel Miles in the fall of 1876. They were transferred by steamboat to the Cheyenne River Agency in November 1876.

There were several efforts to have the hostages released during the spring of 1877. One of the conditions that Spotted Tail required before he went north on his diplomatic mission to the non-treaty bands was that they would be released; the issue came up again in May 1877 as Crazy Horse and other northern Oglala surrendered.

Rising Sun's son-in-law, a Minneconjou named Shoulder, had apparently surrendered with Touch the Cloud's band at the Spotted Tail Agency in 1877. In May of that year, Shoulder appeared at the Cheyenne River Agency with a written pass he claimed authorized him to bring Rising Sun back to Spotted Tail. The agent at Cheyenne River, having no orders for the hostage's release, did not allow him to go. In August 1877, Lieut. Jesse M. Lee, acting Indian Agent at Spotted Tail, wrote specifically requesting the release of Rising Sun and Crazy Thunder and that they be allowed to trasfer to his agency. The Commissioner of Indian Affairs authorized their release and gave permission for the transfer if they desired it.

Rising Sun and Crazy Thunder however remained at Cheyenne River. The census book shows that both of them apparently departed the agency in early February 1878, it was said bound for the Red Cloud Agency. However, their names do not appear in the 1878-80 records for Red Cloud.

Crazy Thunder next appears in the Sitting Bull Surrender Census in 1881 at the Standing Rock Agency. This suggests that rather than heading south to Red Cloud, he and Rising Sun went north to Canada, joining the Sans Arc with Sitting Bull. The fact that Rising Sun's name does not appear in any of the 1881 surrender lists suggests that he may have died in Canada between 1878 and 1881.

Hope this helps.

ephriam

[andrew]

Thanks Ephriam