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Post by elisabeth on May 20, 2008 22:58:29 GMT -6
As I said, my mention of cholera was hyperbole, although a safe bet some there had surivived it as they undoubtedly dealt with arthritis. If you read what I actually originally wrote, the intent and tone are clear.
So first it's a statement of fact, then it's hyperbole, then suddenly it's people who've survived cholera at some time in the past -- scarcely relevant to their helplessness or otherwise at Washita. This constant ground-shifting is entertaining enough if the aim is merely to score debating points, but it takes us further and further away from objective facts. Discussion becomes fruitless, indeed impossible.
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Post by crawdaddo on May 20, 2008 23:37:07 GMT -6
I have to admit you've certainly got a way with words D.C. I don't always agree with you, but I do love to read you. thanks for the entertainment, cordially yours....craw...
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Post by clw on May 21, 2008 6:52:11 GMT -6
Billy ~
Winter counts were band specific, so we're back to the same snapshot problem. And they were rare during this period as pressure increased and leisure time shrank. Many old ones were likely burned with the villages.
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Post by markland on May 21, 2008 14:45:58 GMT -6
Trampus, when you call me that, smile. My daughter, by being born here is a Kansan. I, on the other hand, will always remain a Carolinian.
Billy
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Post by Dark Cloud on May 21, 2008 15:49:52 GMT -6
We'll compromise on Eastern Coloradoan. If a fabricated past is necessary for you to cope, if it soothes you in your time of need, I'm compassionate. Besides, after the fourth pill and second drink from the paper cup, you'll be a Jerseyite. Forever. Look at the pretty cows.
Clock's ticking. But I can wait. Yes, I can.
Regarding e's tantrum:
This is my original mention. " Men, women, children, arthritic old men, cholera victims, all near starving, it took them hours and even then most warriors escaped. Depending who you believe, it's possible the 7th lost more warriors than the Cheyenne. In any event, a pathetic showing in the cold light of history, is it not?"
There was no shape shifting at my end at all. You made your usual erroneous assumptions of meaning. At least you aren't calling it despicable, so I suppose I should be grateful.
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Post by biggordie on May 21, 2008 16:47:41 GMT -6
In Dylan's best nasal whine: "I knew him long before he became a Jersey Girl."
It is not necessary to credit the Seventh with super-human abilities, or even more than a modicum of competence to arrive at NDN casualty figures far in excess of those generally accepted. There are sufficient sources available to arrive at "an inflated" number. Neither does that number do anything to diminish the scale of the NDN victory that day [or weekend]. Similarly, it is not necessary to under-estimate the NDN casualties in order to enhance that victory.
The Old Accountant
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Post by Dark Cloud on May 21, 2008 18:10:28 GMT -6
It wouldn't be beyond belief that Indians, being human, might later on discover having a relative who died in their Greatest Generation's Greatest Victory was a plus come Prom season or tribal election of some sort. After all, it was claimed many Civil War soldiers, like Chamberlain, died of their wounds a half century and more after the fact.
If old Uncle Dimwit died after paying the penalty for squatting down over a rattlesnake to relieve his gastric track near Provo, it might be said later that the head scrape he received "in the battle" (when he clumsily fell off his pony onto a soldier safely dead) some years in the past finally did him in.
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Post by j52 on Jun 17, 2008 17:36:39 GMT -6
How many died by snake bite?
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Post by markland on Jun 18, 2008 8:52:25 GMT -6
How many died by snake bite? Four so far: one each at Camp Hualpai, AZ Ty., Camp Ord, AZ Ty., Ft. Cummings, NM Ty., and Ft. Harker, KS. Billy |
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Post by Diane Merkel on Jun 18, 2008 23:34:05 GMT -6
Time out for a personal inquiry: Billy, did you get my email about Edenton?
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Post by runaheap on Aug 20, 2008 15:32:03 GMT -6
Everything I have read and seen on this subject leads me to 65-100 KIA's for the NDN's (Warriors). Now if General Westmoreland requested the count we can start with woman and children. I know Gall lost family (Maybe he lied and used that excuse for having a "bad heart" towards white's all the time) If this number is expanded into the count, then maybe 200-210 is not unrealistic. I suppose the fact that there is no mention of women or children dead at the abandon camp site from the 27/28th might preclude us to skip this. To me it just does not make sense that Custer would have been more effective than Crook. The Wasicus punched a lot of lead air balls!
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Post by crzhrs on Aug 21, 2008 11:01:37 GMT -6
The greatest loss of non-coms appears to be when Reno attacked the village and got as close to it as anyone. It was his attack that caugth the camp by surprise.
By the time Custer's fight started most non-coms were out of harm's way . . . and that's why so few non-coms may have been killed.
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Post by twoscones on May 15, 2009 14:07:37 GMT -6
VERY INTERESTING POINTS OVER THE INDIAN DEAD BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE 7TH CAVALRY WERE USING COPPER CASED CARTRIDGES WHICH AFTER A VERY FEW SHOTS CAUSED THEIR GUNS TO JAM. IF THIS IS FACT THEN THR INDIAN DEAD WOULD BE AT THE LOWER END AT ABOUT 30 TO 50 .REGARDS TWOSCONES
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Post by conz on May 15, 2009 15:19:48 GMT -6
Twoscones,
The Cavalry Troopers were well trained to pry out the stuck cartridges...they carried a small knife for the very purpose.
So no problem with shooting more Indians...these military professionals knew their business...they were deadly killing machines.
Clair
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Post by "Hunk" Papa on May 15, 2009 16:03:32 GMT -6
...these military professionals knew their business...they were deadly killing machines. Clair
Shouldn't that be dead and killed machines? Custer Hotdog Stands |
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