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Post by Melani on Aug 7, 2009 14:10:55 GMT -6
Just for the record, I witnessed a Lakota Sun Dance in about 1970. Nobody was suspended anywhere. The men were pierced through the skin and a small bit of flesh on the chest, and the women at the wrist. They fasted for several days and finally were attached to the Sun Dance pole by very long thongs going from the piercing to the top of the pole, and danced back and forth until the pierced skin broke. This was characterized as offering a piece of flesh to the Great Spirit. I found it to be a very intense spiritual experience.
Now I realize that the response to this is that it was a modern-day performance for tourists and not like the old days, but in fact it was a religious ceremony that the public was allowed to attend. I would guess that there were a number of different ways to perform a Sun Dance--my understanding is that Sitting Bull gashed each arm 50 times, offering 100 pieces of flesh, but I doubt that those gashes permanently destroyed his arm muscles.
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Post by wolfgang911 on Aug 7, 2009 14:39:49 GMT -6
AZ: <OK Wolfie what does this have do with whether there was few or numerous fatalities at LBH?> It's just not Wolfie who is venturing off-topic . . . so let's not pick and choose who's doing so. We are all guilty of it. well no DC is ;D AZ this has become sort of a general Pro or Con NDN topic and i'm only responding to the off topic and toxic exemples of DC's brainspinning : it just happened that throught the sun dance I brought it back to LBH : so how much LESS indians dead at LBH through the sundance of SB and his moral booster |
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Post by markland on Aug 7, 2009 14:45:20 GMT -6
Clair, I was just remembering this post and that portion specifically and realized I did not phrase it right! I had seen on the other board that you had mentioned TDY at Ft. Riley and figured I could ride up to KCI and meet you for a drink before your drive off to the land of the coyote. I haven't read your response, and likely won't until later as I'm off to watch an exercise in futility as big figuring out the Custer Cluster, i.e., a Royals game but if you chewed me a new one over that phrase, it was deserved. Billy LOL...actually, that was your phrase I liked the most...I'm a BIG Green Day fan! Anyway, no prob. Just remember that I don't think I'm better or more knowledgeable, overall, than you or anyone else. I only offer my opinions and say why, and offer my comments on other's ideas. I figure that is why people post them here...so the rest of us can comment on them. I just wish people would stick to commenting on the ideas, and not on the posters themselves. That would be as cool as Green Day... The Army switched my Riley trip to Benning, which I'm off to next week. Gotta stay flexible in the Cav... Clair What a shame as I was looking forward to you demonstrating how to train a horse to dodge arrows  Additionally, it is an even bigger shame now that I know you are a GD fan and I seem to have an extra ticket since the daughter hasn't found anyone to use it yet. BC, no that wasn't our cat although it was the highpoint of the game. If only the Royals could run the bases as well as that cat did. I spotted an article in the paper this morning which said that a member of the grounds crew has adopted the cat. And if anyone is wondering what BC & I are talking about, this video is from the television broadcast featuring the great Frank White doing analysis of the chase. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jiX72s5ABA or (with lower volume) mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5943303Billy |
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Post by wolfgang911 on Aug 7, 2009 14:53:20 GMT -6
There's a world outside The Big Book of Indians For Children and/or European Skulls of Calcium, Wolf. But then, your opinions suggest you find even that heavy slogging. you're such a nice guy ;D everyone who disagrees with you is a fool every civilisation that is defeated has to go you can only think in terms of superiority/inferiority and that "winners" are always "superior" I'm not sure whether you walk in brown shirts on secret meetings or whether you're a blind cynical fool, both I guess |
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Post by wolfgang911 on Aug 7, 2009 14:55:57 GMT -6
thanks for the most welcome off topic intermezzo, cool cat!
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Post by conz on Aug 8, 2009 8:26:56 GMT -6
Any wargamers here? <g>
Or are they all on the other board?
Clair
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Post by Diane Merkel on Aug 8, 2009 21:17:12 GMT -6
You've played your last game here.
No more phoney Ayes or stupid <g>rins.
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Post by crzhrs on Aug 9, 2009 14:32:49 GMT -6
Diane:
Did I miss something here?
Crzhrs
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Post by Dark Cloud on Aug 9, 2009 16:51:21 GMT -6
From what I've read on the Sioux Sun Dance, warriors in the day had wood stakes shoved under their pectoral or back muscles, were hauled off their feet and danced blowing whistles till the muscles gave way. Rain in the Face had large indentations in his lower back where muscle was missing. Lower back muscles, we all know, are rather key to everything, and if true, he could only have been a far lesser warrior than previously. It was voluntary, no shame to not participating, but if you accepted the dance and somehow failed in the eyes of the adoring crowd, it was forever, and you could be treated like a woman, resigned to woman's work in life. A virtual slave.
Sitting Bull wasn't a warrior in 1876, and he had nothing to prove. Also, that story appeared after the fact (no surprise, hardly time before) and like the Cheyenne medicine men predicting Custer's fall with the ashes on the boot, ought to be taken with a keg of salt. SB could sling it with the best.
Nor do I buy the great upside down march of the soon to be dead seen by La Custer (and nobody else) in the mist and clouds. These are just too Too, ya know? These are all European literary templates.
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Post by markland on Aug 9, 2009 18:22:53 GMT -6
This has got to be the most useful thread to be side-tracked on the entire site.
Folks, we're not talking about buffalo, dancing horses or Green Day (my fault), high jumps and sudden stops, Sun Dances and assorted "Man Called Horse" associations but how many Indians died beating the 7th Cav. at LBH.
Sheesh, dealing with you people gives me more patience to cope with the daily dealing with my 14 year old. And actually, she listens better.
Billy
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Post by Dark Cloud on Aug 9, 2009 19:05:02 GMT -6
She has to listen to you; we don't.
There's no way to know how many were killed. None. All you can do is compare with other fights, take the Indian accounts that fall within those parameters, and shrug. There is no new evidence. There's no evidence of anything out of the ordinary.
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Post by crzhrs on Aug 10, 2009 9:27:12 GMT -6
<There's no way to know how many were killed. None.>
The best responses to this topic . . . shall we end it now before we veer off-course again!
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Post by Dark Cloud on Aug 10, 2009 9:36:15 GMT -6
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Post by wolfgang911 on Aug 10, 2009 14:23:50 GMT -6
good article. on many aspects of the present our cynical views might be the same. does not count for most rez off course, including the writer's homespot + what a bright fragile future is casino income with no substance. billy you reached the limit here you start talking about cats on a baseball game and then it's the others that are out of focus yeah right!   I bet it is the title of the topic a whole bunch of dead indians wow! a great one we can put all miscelleneaus in as no one will know exactly and can pick between 30 and 300 |
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Post by wolfgang911 on Aug 10, 2009 14:25:08 GMT -6
SB could sling it with the best. translation? |
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Additionally, it is an even bigger shame now that I know you are a GD fan and I seem to have an extra ticket since the daughter hasn't found anyone to use it yet.
