Civil Rights and politics thereof.

[strange]

Hello every one! I hope this is the right board for this.
I had an interesting pow wow with crzhrs and I figured I should let the rest of you in. I had a thought that I want to share with you all.
Indian vs. Indian, US vs. Indian? Are the sins of the US intolerable by Indian standards? Or intolerable by US standards? Meaning, were the Indians spoiled in comparison to what they would have faced against oncoming tribes? Did the US teach them their rights before stripping them away? Would it have been more acceptable for the US to behave like just another oncoming tribe? Did the the negotiations help or hurt between the US and the Indian? Would the Indians have trusted the government more if they had been more stiff and not so willing to pucker up and smooch in war negotiations? The Indians had every right to resent misdeeds, but did they also resent kindness?

[harpskiddie]

This is not the right board. This is the Battle Basics Board. You want one of the boards devoted to the Indians and Government relations, or something. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what your question is - but then I'm old and senile. Good luck in your writing career. Which war was it that they negotiated, anyway?

Gordie,
why does the rain fall from up above? why do fools fall in love? why do they fall in love?........

[kenny]

True they did had rights back then. But they never use their rights back then. But now they are using their right. Because the treaty to the black hills had expire and the government wanted to renew the treaty. But native Americans said no.

It should be in the northern plains Indians

[strange]

Drat! I knew I should have had this topic on the "northern plains indians" section! Thanks for your inputs, maybe this thread could be moved later or something. Til' then, feel free to comment, where ever this ends up. Maybe I'll have to take it up with the administrator. Thanks!

[Diane Merkel]

The question is general enough that I moved it here instead. Northern Plains Indians discusses specific people.

Diane

[Montana Bab]

strange said:

The Indians had every right to resent misdeeds, but did they also resent kindness?

Good Grief, Strange, when did the Indians ever receive kindness from the U.S.?

Montana born and bred

[markland]

strange said:

Hello every one! I hope this is the right board for this.
I had an interesting pow wow with crzhrs and I figured I should let the rest of you in. I had a thought that I want to share with you all.
Indian vs. Indian, US vs. Indian? Are the sins of the US intolerable by Indian standards? Or intolerable by US standards? Meaning, were the Indians spoiled in comparison to what they would have faced against oncoming tribes? Did the US teach them their rights before stripping them away? Would it have been more acceptable for the US to behave like just another oncoming tribe? Did the the negotiations help or hurt between the US and the Indian? Would the Indians have trusted the government more if they had been more stiff and not so willing to pucker up and smooch in war negotiations? The Indians had every right to resent misdeeds, but did they also resent kindness?

Strange & Crzy, the other question which could (and should) be asked is whether the sins of the Indians were acceptable to the U.S.?

Wrap yourself around that axle and you begin to understand the Indian Wars.

Billy

[crzhrs]

Touchy subject that will only lead us into deep waters.

To much generalizing on strange's post. The Indian Wars throughout the entire history of North America was too complex for an easy answer.

There were heroes and villains on both sides with dastardly deeds committed by each other.

The Indians lost not because they weren't good people . . . but because they faced a culture that was technologically, militarily, and richer in resources than there's and could sustain losses while the Indian could not.

[strange]

Definitely very complex indeed. I was simply curious as to whether the Indians would have protested as much if the US had not lain down the rules of war in the first place. I noticed that the US is getting some heavy flack, and indeed misdeeds cannot be brushed aside, but the big question I think is whether the Indians understood of these misdeeds or were taught of their rights before having them stripped away.
It is also important to bring up the way things don't swing both ways, in regard to how the dead are dealt with. Personally, I feel there are wealths of knowledge that could be dug up at any time and that no one should be touchy about pulling up the dead, whether it be Indians or US.
i suppose these things bear down very heavy, but the thoughts, I feel, are very sound and definitely shouldn't be ignored. So fuel the thoughts, keep them running and hold them clear and maybe someday these heavy questions can be answered? If you don't ask the heavy questions, then great answers never come. But I guess I'm not being all too articulate, I just wanted to toss something out there and see what stuck.

Stranger than fiction.