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Post by absolution on Jul 1, 2005 9:01:34 GMT -6
In all of the forums that I have visited, very little has ever been discussed about one of the most celebrated of warriors, Crazy Horse. Heck, they are even making a monument to this individual and he perhaps more than any other individual had as much to do with this battle than any other, yet very little is said.
One question that has always irratated me is that fact that there are two claims to his participation on or around LSH. One of those claims is that he and his group of loyal followers, about 80 in all, from what I can discern, either Charged up towards LSH from Deep Ravine, or charged from the east in the vicinity of the Keogh sector towards Deep Ravine. Both are for me a matter of great importance because some of the indians claim that he was involved in the valley fight, and ended up on a ridge close to Reno Hill. Then you get the story from the indians that he returned to the village and charged from there to LSH. Which path did he take from his position near Reno Hill to LSH? And in this if he did make a charge from the east did he then cross at MTF or did he make a more sensible dash directly to it across or near Weir Point?
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Post by weir on Jul 1, 2005 10:43:08 GMT -6
In all of the forums that I have visited, very little has ever been discussed about one of the most celebrated of warriors, Crazy Horse. Heck, they are even making a monument to this individual and he perhaps more than any other individual had as much to do with this battle than any other, yet very little is said. One question that has always irratated me is that fact that there are two claims to his participation on or around LSH. One of those claims is that he and his group of loyal followers, about 80 in all, from what I can discern, either Charged up towards LSH from Deep Ravine, or charged from the east in the vicinity of the Keogh sector towards Deep Ravine. Both are for me a matter of great importance because some of the indians claim that he was involved in the valley fight, and ended up on a ridge close to Reno Hill. Then you get the story from the indians that he returned to the village and charged from there to LSH. Which path did he take from his position near Reno Hill to LSH? And in this if he did make a charge from the east did he then cross at MTF or did he make a more sensible dash directly to it across or near Weir Point? According to Flying By, Crazy Horse was tired of fighting Reno's men and wanted to stop the fight. Flying By told Crazy Horse to move on to fight Custer, and finally Crazy Horse accepted. Crazy Horse crossed in Medicine Tail Ford, rode trough Deep Coulee and fought Keogh's men from the East. There is little evidence that Crazy Horse part of the battle was as much decisive as the legend said (with the false "North March"). I arrived to think that Two Moon, Crow King, Lame White Man and White Bull were more decisive than Crazy Horse in Little Bighorn. Arapaho Waterman said, about Crazy Horse in Little Bighorn : "He is the bravest man I have ever seen." |
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Post by Tony on Jul 1, 2005 11:35:31 GMT -6
Crazy Horse was a great warrior--however, from what I recall, Crazy Horse left the Valley fight to confront the new challange (Custer) from the east--as did many----He road through the village, switched ponies,and then crossed from Deep Rivine--he than road up a coulee between LSH and Calh. Hill and wound up in the East opposite Keogh. It was Crazy Horse that noticed the gap between Calh. Hill and LSH and attcked. He was instumential in rolling up the right wing. However, he did not take the long sweeping North ride around LSH like so many thought. I have to disagree about his importance in the fight--I think he was extremely important to Custer's defeat!!!
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Post by absolution on Jul 1, 2005 12:16:55 GMT -6
I agree Tony. I think that this is the missing piece of the puzzle that many for too long have overlooked. The timing and direction of that attack is most important to our undertanding of this battle. Also it is very important to find the direct path he took from the ridge near Reno Hill to Custer Hill. I have heard way too many stories about this, and sadly the truth may never be known.
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Post by Tony on Jul 1, 2005 12:50:15 GMT -6
absolution----every account I ever read had Crazy Horse riding through the village after Reno's retreat--AS far as I know, he did not remain on the east side of the LBH (Reno's side), or matter of fact, I'm not even sure he got on that side--I believe he remained in the Valley for Reno's fight, and upon hearing of Custer's advance road back to the village!
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Post by absolution on Jul 2, 2005 16:55:15 GMT -6
Yeah, I've heard the same story, but there are certain circumstances that I am wondering about that may have caused him to use the shorter distance over sharpshooter ridge, and Weir point.
The question then is: If he did go back through the village which way did he go? East through MTF and then north, or north and then forded near the confluence of LBH and Deep Ravine? I have heard both stories, but have nothing to prove either. And it seems that while all the other indians took the glory, and this along with his long silence, his story was never fully revealed.
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Post by Tony on Jul 2, 2005 17:04:05 GMT -6
absolution--From what I remember reading, he went north through the village, than forded Deep Rivine, turned south via a coulee and went over the ridge to Keogh sector
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Post by weir on Jul 4, 2005 8:06:25 GMT -6
absolution--From what I remember reading, he went north through the village, than forded Deep Rivine, turned south via a coulee and went over the ridge to Keogh sector He crossed at Medicine Tail Ford and got up Deep Coulee. In fact, he didn't find any gap between I company sector and LSH, because he charged in front of them. On his left, anyway, Indians led by White Bull charged the flank of the second part of company C (led by sergeant Bobo) and broke the line. |
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