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Post by crzhrs on May 24, 2006 12:09:01 GMT -6
bubbabod
Well . . . it WAS against Wakefield who did give up that game-winning homer to Aaron Boone in the 7th game of the 2003 playoffs between the Sox-Yankees in the famous "Why did Williams leave Pedro in so long" game.
Why wait til the end of the season? . . . that's no fun!
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Post by fred on May 24, 2006 12:20:11 GMT -6
Okay, let's just see how good you guys are. No looking in the books. Can anyone name the 1927 NY Yankees' starting line-up & the names of their 4 most effective pitchers?
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Post by crzhrs on May 24, 2006 12:35:53 GMT -6
I've got 5 . . . the rest?
Ruth Gehrig Meusel Lazzeri Dugin
Pitching:
Hoyt Pennock Shocker ?
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Post by fred on May 24, 2006 17:38:03 GMT -6
Awright, Horse!! Not bad, & I know-- unlike Billy-- you would never resort to the books. Now... you need the rest & you need the order in the line-up & position each played. C'mon, Horse, I know you can do it! Think, man, think!
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by El Crab on May 24, 2006 21:09:22 GMT -6
Earle Combs. I would have also gotten Gehrig, Ruth and Tony Lazzeri.
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Post by fred on May 24, 2006 21:15:26 GMT -6
Nice job Crab. You guys are up to 6 & 3 (incidentally, it was Dugan; Joe Dugan, I believe. Third base & 7th in the line-up).
2 more regulars 1 more pitcher. How about a couple of bench-warmers, as well?
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by d o harris on May 25, 2006 10:29:11 GMT -6
Fred, Are you sure Dugan hit 7th? I thought the shortstop, a guy named Durocher, hit in the 7th spot. In those days Yankee numbers were in accord with position in the batting order, and Leo was #7. Bill Dickey was a backup catcher on that team. I don't recall the name of the #1 catcher. Combs, I think, was the leadoff hitter, and that would have made Dugan (or Durocher) #2, followed by Ruth, Gehrig, Meusel, Lazzeri, Durocher (or Dugan), the starting catcher, and pitcher. Dugan was a name I did not have until I read it here. Hoyt and Pennock I knew, but not Shocker.
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Post by crzhrs on May 25, 2006 10:36:05 GMT -6
Grabowski (spelling?) may have been one of the catchers, I think he platooned with someone else.
Wasn't Koenig (spelling?) another starter?
I'm stilling thinkin' . . . plus reading the other posts:
1: Combs CF 2: Koenig SS 3: Ruth RF 4: Gehrig 1B 5: Meusel LF 6: Lazzeri 2B 7: Dugan 3B 8: Grabowski C
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Post by fred on May 25, 2006 12:40:44 GMT -6
Horse!! You nailed it!! Grabowski platooned w/ a guy named Collins (first name, Pat, I think). Benny Bengough was another sub or utility man. You got the positions and you got the line-up!! I'm proud of you, man!
Now, since you got this much, can you name 3 more pitchers? (Hint: the name of one of them is in that sentence, though spelled differently. He was used mainly in relief, believe it or not!)
Very best wishes, "Babe" Fred.
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Post by crzhrs on May 25, 2006 13:01:13 GMT -6
You're pushin' me now Fred . . . my brain is fried and it's not even the weekend!
I keep goin' back to all the old films I've seen on TV and books I've read and the only other pitchers I can come up with are Willy Moore and Dutch Ruther (spelling?)
I am now going to collapse and have many beers . . .
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Post by El Crab on May 25, 2006 13:08:40 GMT -6
I am now going to collapse and have many beers . . . Shouldn't that be the other way around? I think its Wilcy Moore, not Willy.
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Post by crzhrs on May 25, 2006 13:26:31 GMT -6
Crab:
You drink your way and I'll drink mine . . . after collapsing the beer will refresh me. Of course it has to be COLD!
Fred: Very cute . . . three MORE pitchers!
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Post by fred on May 25, 2006 15:27:30 GMT -6
Crab--
Let it never be said that I left without attempting at least 1 double entendre.
And you are correct; it is Wilcy Moore. The Yankee pitching staff of 1927 consisted of Waite Hoyt, Urban James Shocker, Herb Pennock, "Dutch" Reuther, George Pipgras, & their ace reliever, Wilcy Moore.
Horse, you did a beautiful job. It is obvious, your knowledge far transcends the mere tiff in Montana. I think you have too much time on your hands!
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by d o harris on May 25, 2006 17:24:28 GMT -6
crzhrs, Fred, I give up. Surrender. I couldn't believe I was so wrong on Durocher. I went to the library and checked the microfilm news reports for the World Series that year. The starting lineup was as crzhrs listed it except for catcher. In the series Collins started games one and four, Bengaugh game two, and Grabowski game three. I had no idea a catcher named Collins was even on the roster. Moore relieved Hoyt in the first game, pitched 1 2/3 innings, then pitched a complete game four. Pipgras won game two, and Pennock game three, both complete games. Of course, the Yankees won in four. As I meandered through the microfilm I picked up a couple of interesting tidbits. On June 10, Ruth tripled against the White Sox, and then stole home. When was the last time Bonds tripled? Did Maguire ever hit a triple? Did either of them ever steal home? After that series in Chicago White Sox players & the manager all agreed that in another year Tony Lazzeri would be the best player in baseball. He finished 3rd in homeruns that year, behind Ruth and Gehrig. News accounts often referred to him as Tony the Wop. Can you imagine that nowadays? Reminds me of my pre-teen and early teen years when everybody had a nickname. Fats, Tubby, Jumbo, Lard, Billy Goat, Beans, PeeWee, Specs, Four Eyes, Mole, Beak, Chuckles, Goofy, Dud, Gimpy, Trots, Frecks, Dirty Larry, (he scratched his crotch in front of a teacher, much to his regret), and so on and on. They were all friends of mine, and we didn't think we were being abusive. To give a nickname was a mark of acceptance and friendship.
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Post by fred on May 25, 2006 19:58:33 GMT -6
DO, Horse, Crab--
When I was a kid-- probably around 1951, 1952-- I saw an ad in the "Sporting News." It was for a baseball game put out by the APBA Game Company in Lancaster, PA. (It still exists!!) They made a baseball game based on a set of cards, 1 for each player. They broke that players stats of the year before down to a series of choices that would be determined by the roll of 2 dice, a large die & a small die. The large one was a 10's digit, the small a unit digit. So for example, a large 6 and a small 2 would be read as 62. Next to that number on the player's card was another number. You took that second number & referenced it to a chart which showed the situation in the game at that point.
Again, for example. Say there was a runner on second base. You rolled a 66 (big 6, little 6). Next to 66 on the player's card was a 5. You went to the board titled "runner on 2nd" & referenced the 5. "Homerun." On the "bases empty" chart, that same 66/ 5 would be a double, & so on.
Pitchers were rated, Grade A, B, C, & D, A being the best. That rating would change that number on the chart, so the 5 w/ a man on 2nd & a grade A pitcher, instead of being a homerun, might be a double.
You could buy the entire 2 leagues-- 16 teams in those days-- & play the games by yourself if you wanted. Being a natural recluse, that's precisely what I did. And I kept stats. The only problem was that it was very time consuming playing all those games!!!!!! I did complete one season, though I think I had the cards for about 4, & the similarity between my final standings & stats was remarkably close to what really happened in that season.
What this company also did was to make up cards for the all-time great teams! Ergo, my knowledge of the 1927 Yankees. (I no longer have the game; that too was lost in my GD divorce; you can imagine what I was married to!!!) Other teams I had were both Chicago teams for 1906, the 1909 Tigers & I think 1909 Pirates (is that who they played in the World Series?), the '31 A's; '34 Cards; '37 Yankees (& here is Gehrig playing against himself, '27 vs. '37!!!); '22 Browns; '14 Braves; & a number of others.
And you talk about fun! They also came out w/ a football game, which I promptly bought. I actually played the football game into my 30's. And you know something? The damned NY Jets never could beat that Baltimore Colt team in my Super Bowl!
Best wishes, Fred.
PS-- DO, you are still the leader of the gang. I just snookered you this one time. I am out of ammo-- & I know you are not. FCW
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