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Post by Diane Merkel on May 3, 2007 12:29:02 GMT -6
Here is an excerpt from an article about Carlisle's football teams that has a great photo of Jim Thorpe with Indians. Dwight Eisenhower also played football for Carlisle. In 1879, a cavalry officer named Richard Henry Pratt founded the Carlisle Indian School, a remarkable 40-year chapter in this country’s failed social policy regarding Native Americans. Pratt, who was a veteran of the Indian wars, believed that the only way to assure full American citizenship for Indians was to take the sons of tribal leaders—boys whose ancestors had fought this country in battle—and eradicate any manifestations of their native culture. Pratt’s one overriding faith could be described quite simply: “Kill the Indian, Save the Man!” When four decades of forcible education ended in 1918, it wasn’t entirely clear what Pratt’s experiment had killed and what it had saved. Article: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18341536/site/newsweek/
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Post by BrokenSword on May 3, 2007 12:56:58 GMT -6
Point of trivia-
Annie Yates, widow of Capt. George W. Yates was for several years a teacher at the Carlisle Indian School. Anyone know what it was that she taught? I don't.
M
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Post by gary on May 3, 2007 14:28:08 GMT -6
Cannot answer that one. I can however recommend the Carlisle Indian Industrial School research pages: home.epix.net/~landis/
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Post by harpskiddie on May 3, 2007 15:06:26 GMT -6
Nichael:
I'm going to hazard a guess that Annie taught elocution [or whatever they might call it]. She was well known as a speaker for some time before her death.
Gordie, means he has to wander forever in the winds.......................................................
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Post by BrokenSword on May 3, 2007 15:40:19 GMT -6
Gordie-
Thank you. I should have figured that one out for myself as I knew that about Ms. Yates. And - since I also am an expert elloc... ellekqu... elcockce... pronouncer talking person speaker.
gary-
Most interesting papers and records. Thank you.
Michael
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Post by elisabeth on May 4, 2007 0:35:34 GMT -6
Can't swear to this, but I think I've read that she taught languages, and possibly music. She was quite a linguist, having lived in assorted foreign countries as a child. A brilliant woman, our Annie -- very accomplished all round.
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Post by Diane Merkel on May 4, 2007 16:48:05 GMT -6
Any guesses as to why she threw herself in front of a train?
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Post by Melani on May 5, 2007 0:24:07 GMT -6
According to A Summer on the Plains with Custer's Seventh Cavalry, there was speculation that she may have fainted or that her clothing was caught by the train. Fainting seems more likely. She was shopping for Christmas and her son's birthday--seems an unlikely time to jump under a train on purpose.
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Post by Scout on May 5, 2007 8:19:20 GMT -6
As much as I know about the LBH, or don't know, I'm not sure, Anyway, I didn't know Annie Yates met such a gruesome death. What year was it, and where did it happen?
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Post by elisabeth on May 5, 2007 8:46:28 GMT -6
1914 -- December 9th, to be precise -- and in New York, the 14th Street subway station. Poor lady.
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Post by Scout on May 5, 2007 9:16:14 GMT -6
You know New York City figures into a lot of LBH trivia.
Annie Yates working and getting killed there.
Martini working as a ticket taker at the subway station at Broadway & West 103 rd St.
Elizabeth Custer living there.
Tom Weir drinking himself to death there.
The afore mentioned William Morris becoming a judge there.
Tom O'Neil working as a policeman there.
Any others?
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Post by BrokenSword on May 5, 2007 9:32:22 GMT -6
Gee Scout-
You don't suppose that W. Morris pushed Annie in front of the train, do you? If so, we may have more meat for the 'Secrets of the Seventh" thread.
Just a thought.
M ".. we can't go on together - with suspicious minds.."
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Post by harpskiddie on May 5, 2007 9:38:16 GMT -6
Frank Gibson worked in some capacity for the Sanitation Department, or Department of Public Works, or some such, as did an enlisted man for whom he wrote a reference. This is off the top of my head and may be a pipedream.
Gordie, in dreams I walk with you; in dreams I talk to you..........................................................
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Post by Diane Merkel on May 6, 2007 15:06:09 GMT -6
Tom Weir also died on December 9.
I have corresponded with a man who visited Annie's granddaughter until her death last year. When he mentioned Annie, the granddaughter (in her 90s) said, "Oh, the suicide . . . ." Some believe Brian Pohanka was being a gentleman by not going into the story more.
To throw yourself in front of a train while Christmas shopping seems a bit bizarre, but stranger things have happened. In the 1980s, a woman in Rockville, Maryland, dressed her daughter up in her best dress on Christmas Eve and killed her. She couldn't afford to buy her daughter presents and didn't want to disappoint her.
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Post by crzhrs on May 11, 2007 6:44:08 GMT -6
I believe there was a little known Indian who fought at the LBH . . . I think his name was King Kong . . .
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