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Post by crzhrs on Mar 23, 2007 9:01:48 GMT -6
Custer also wrote under "pen names" for various newspapers, especially the Anti-Grant papers.
As for Custer acting . . . from all accounts he had a somewhat high voice and when excited stammered a bit. Not sure how that would pan out as an actor.
Best bet for Custer/Libbe . . . retirement from the military, tour Europe and give lectures (they love the Wild West & Indians) & write books.
Did Custer ever speak about life after the military?
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Post by fred on Mar 23, 2007 9:12:58 GMT -6
Tricia--
I won't even look at that thread. It smacks too much of Houston Stewart Chamberlain and Alfred Rosenberg. Too much of the "bell curve" for my tastes. And I have a real problem with anyone trying to compare or justify buzz words like "superiority," "inferiority," etc., when it comes to races, civilizations, and cultures. They all existed for a reason and some collapsed because of circumstances and environments beyond anyone's control. To wield the "superiority" sword is the essence of hypocrisy. Besides, I rather read Hannah Arendt, Descartes, Graham, D O Harris, "harpskiddie," and "The Changes in German Tactical Doctrine During the First World War," than waste my time w/ that pewling.
I am really pleased to see you up to speed here, Trish. You are one of the originals and one of the best. We've lost too many, guys like GAC and El Crab. It's a shame.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Banned on Mar 23, 2007 9:29:23 GMT -6
* Another court-martial, for disobeying orders. * Another court-martial, for bringing the Army into disrepute in the Belknap hearings. * Dismissal. * Bankruptcy. * Divorce, with Libbie finally tired of his shenanigans. * A slightly pathetic showbiz career, starting with the Redpath-Lyceum lectures, then maybe Buffalo Bill's Wild West, then ... who knows: exhibiting himself as a fairground curiosity, in all likelihood.
This is by far the most ridiculous post I've read - I wonder if, you, Elizabeth, have really any knowledge of the battle at all. If you read Michno or any Indian testimony on the battle (and a testimony which covers the whole battle), you'll see that Custer was near a victory.
Even Nelson Appelton Miles, US general in chief, studied the battle in 1877-1898 and found that he "had admiration for Custer" according to the "movements he studied here" (in Little Big Horn) and he concluded that all the Indians he had met said that Custer would have won the battle if the whole 7th was under his command. The "disobeying" orders is by far the most stupid myth of the battle. Custer sent his scouts towards Tullocks Creek, as Terry suggested, and he followed his own mind when he found the steps of the Indians. Case closed.
Yes, Libbie would have divorced... In fact, how many men did she marry after his death? 20? 30? Zero?
Bankruptcy? If Sitting Bull would have been caught, which would have been the case if Marcus and Freddy weren't cowards, Custer would have been two-stars general.
A slightly pathetic showbiz career? Good night.
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Post by Banned on Mar 23, 2007 9:39:02 GMT -6
"the gay pride is the summit of ridiculous exhibition. If heterosexuals do the same, we would call that obcenity. " I'd call it Amsterdam! Jeez, you're a nutjob. Go polish your jackboots. 33% of the people from the Netherlands want to leave their country. I have perhaps a better understanding of the poor liberal Ground Zero called Europe than you, in your Kansas or Nevada...
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Post by crzhrs on Mar 23, 2007 9:45:35 GMT -6
Fred:
Well spoken, my friend!
In the words of George Thorogood: "Time to move it on over . . ."
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Post by Tricia on Mar 23, 2007 9:50:04 GMT -6
CSS--
How many men has Priscilla Presley married? Zip. She knows that last name is her meal ticket. Libbie knew the same thing and used it to create the fortune her "beloved Autie" could not provide in life. There's nothing essentially wrong with it, either, but you've got to get over this rose-coloured glasses' syndrome when it comes to All Things Custer.
I don't know if there would have been a Custer divorce in light of a failed LBH. Perhaps there would be an "understanding" reached; he on his permanent travels or book tours whilst Libbie kept the home fires burning, but essentially living a separate life ... or whatever the Victorian standard. Of course, that lifestyle would have required more money--something GAC was hapless at achieving.
--t.
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Post by Tricia on Mar 23, 2007 9:53:52 GMT -6
Fred: Well spoken, my friend! In the words of George Thorogood: "Time to move it on over . . ." Absolutely! DC is simply playing one of his "I'm in need-of-attention games" ... as usual. --t.
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Post by crzhrs on Mar 23, 2007 9:57:43 GMT -6
Kansas & Nevada . . . Liberal?!?!?
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Post by fred on Mar 23, 2007 10:07:03 GMT -6
... if Marcus and Freddy weren't cowards... Xavier, please, please, clarify that, will you? You are going to give me a worse reputation than I already have! Thanks, Your friend, Fred[dy]
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Post by Tricia on Mar 23, 2007 10:23:39 GMT -6
Kansas & Nevada . . . Liberal?!?!? Yep, that Senator Sam Brownback is just another ol' seething tax-and-spender. Lookout! --t.
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Post by elisabeth on Mar 23, 2007 11:43:47 GMT -6
Re possible court-martial: see the "Col. Carrington on Custer" thread for a statement re W. A. Graham's opinion that if Custer had lived, he'd have faced charges over his activities in Washington regardless of the outcome of the battle.
Re "disobeying orders": if he'd lost and lived, Terry would have needed a scapegoat. He was a lawyer; he'd have had no difficulty establishing points where Custer had departed from his orders. (If only in the failure to send Herendeen up Tullock's Creek.)
Re bankruptcy: in February 1876 he'd taken out a 6-month loan of some $8,500 at a rate of 7% interest. The note would fall due in August -- long before he could have earned anything from the lecture tour. And even a two-star general didn't earn that much. In any case, after offending Grant, he could only hope for promotion if a Democrat administration came in. The election wasn't until November. So whatever happened, he was in deep doo-doo financially.
Re divorce: OK, a long shot, but read Shirley A. Leckie, Elizabeth Bacon Custer and the Making of a Myth, Chapter 8, for their earlier marital troubles. It's not impossible.
Re showbiz career: well, he'd signed that Redpath-Lyceum Bureau contract ...
Apart from that, yes, entirely ridiculous.
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Post by crzhrs on Mar 23, 2007 12:07:18 GMT -6
Elisabeth:
Your scenario makes it look like Custer had nothing to lose and everything to gain. The only thing that would save him would be a huge victory against the Indians . . . at any costs!
Would Custer gamble it all to save himself?
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Post by clw on Mar 23, 2007 13:06:40 GMT -6
Good flippin' grief! The woman could be termed a Rhodes schlolar in regard to this subject and everything connected with it! Gotta love it when people make absolute fools of themselves with statements like that one.
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Post by crzhrs on Mar 23, 2007 13:21:42 GMT -6
clw:
There are some here who attack when others don't agree with what they say. You weren't here when our Swiss Twins were in their fully "glory" . . . but they do present a different view.
Stay tuned . . .
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Post by clw on Mar 23, 2007 15:59:08 GMT -6
Yes, well the avatar says it all and gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, 'a picture is worth a thousand words'.
There were TWINS?! Dear Lord.
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