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Post by crzhrs on May 15, 2006 9:58:20 GMT -6
Can someone please clone Errol Flynn . . . the one, the only, the definitive George Armstrong Custer . . . of course slightly embellished to please the Pro-Custer crowd!
Now . . . who the heck would be good for Custer? Duvall . . . he was tremendous in APOCOLYPSE NOW as a Custer-like figure and would be great (a little old now though)
Cosner . . . boring!
Val Kilmer . . . interesting
Gary Oldman . . . another likely candidate
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Post by elisabeth on May 15, 2006 10:18:21 GMT -6
Oooh, yes -- Gary Oldman would be superb. He looks right, and he'd be able to give us the ambiguities ...
How about Duvall as Benteen? (If Strathairn won't do it again; he was SO good, even with the daft wig.)
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Post by crzhrs on May 15, 2006 11:05:48 GMT -6
If any one has seen SID & NANCY (Sid Vicious of the Sex Pistols) you will see what an incredible actor Oldman is (along with many other parts). I think he could pull off Custer, even though he is British . . . sorry Elisabeth!
Duvall as Benteen would create THE right character . . . he would probably overwhelm anyone as Custer . . . maybe the real Benteen did do that to the real Custer?
As for the Custer/Benteen feud . . . does anyone know of any other officer who treated Custer like Benteen did and GET AWAY WITH IT?
Did Benteen have a Svengali hold on Custer?
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Post by Scout on May 15, 2006 13:16:18 GMT -6
Unfortunately Duvall is around seventy, isn't he? I think Depp looks more like Keogh.
There was a couple of great performances in the movie GLORY. Mathew what's his name...would be good as Keogh as well. Oldham is a great actor...I could see him in the title role. The real tricky casting will be Benteen and Reno though...make no mistakes about this... the film will be a court room drama...like JFK...I guarantee.
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Post by crzhrs on May 15, 2006 13:34:49 GMT -6
Maybe a court room drama is what we really need. We already know pretty much about most of the action . . . except Custer . . . so a court room drama could be the best. Bring in Terry Sherman, Sheridan . . . they also have some 'splainin' to do.
If only Indians would be called as witnesses!
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Post by bubbabod on May 15, 2006 16:01:01 GMT -6
Elizabeth, my English friend, and crazhrse, no, please, a much younger Duvall would be the absolute best. Now, I know many people liked Gary Oldman, and I think he did okay, but he just never sold me on his portrayal. And Duvall as Benteen? They don't resemble in the slightest, and to me that's kind of important. I think Depp as Keough would be fantastic, though. Frankly, I'm ready for another GOOD LBH movie. It would be really interesting to see how Oliver Stone would handle it: factually or let his imagination and theories fly.
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Post by Lawtonka on May 15, 2006 19:55:49 GMT -6
I'm with you Bubba and all, We need some Good - New - Movies! Ya know, we could also use some new action stars, looks like we are all getting older together. I can't even begin to think of who is out there now young enough to play the part. I hope they will do the movie.
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Post by elisabeth on May 15, 2006 22:10:24 GMT -6
Bubba, are you perhaps thinking of Gary Cole? If so, I agree, he never sold me either ...
Depp could be lovely as Keogh. Trouble is, though, he's a bit small for it. Keogh was 6ft 1, significantly taller than Custer, which I think may have mattered somewhat to Custer. (Look how, in all the group photos, Keogh's either seated or -- as in the famous hunting party one -- leaning forward.) You need some sense of Custer literally, as well as figuratively, "looking up" to Keogh. Age aside, the best lookalike would be Pierce Brosnan; he'd be great. Depp could catch the character, though.
Benteen's a tough one to get right ... but Strathairn did a wonderful job without looking remotely like him ... so maybe the acting's the key.
It'd be nice if they could be brave enough to go for middle-aged actors; Custer was losing his hair, after all, and Keogh was going grey. 36 in 1876 was rather older than 36 now. But if they want a "young" Custer, one other possibility might be Christian Bale. He looks right, he can act, he can do action. However, Viggo's OK, if that rumour is true ...
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Post by pjsolla on May 16, 2006 0:18:03 GMT -6
This is the last I was contacted on regarding a "Custer" movie.
Late 1998, a movie based on Michael Blakes, Marching to Valhalla was to go into production. Fox's book Archaeology, History and Custer's last battle was to be put in at the end of the movie depicting his interpretation of the battle. As you know, Blakes book took the reader right up to the morning of the 25th, right before the battle.
Oliver Stone was to produce and direct and Brad Pitt was to be cast as Custer. Dan Halsted was also to co-produce with Stone.
This was all to be done thru New Line Cinema.
The project was abandoned late 1999.
PJS
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Post by bhist on May 16, 2006 0:38:15 GMT -6
You're still dealing with old stuff PJ -- that scenario is no longer an option.
However, it's a fact that Stone is executive producer and director of the remake of SOMS. Production is supposed to start this summer in Canada. I haven’t heard if that is still a go.
I also know that Blake’s very boring book has been abandoned for this new film as well as Fox’s book, which would have muddled the film to a dead crawl.
So, 1998 might as well be 1876 as far as Hollywood goes. It’s 2006 and Fox and Blake are way out of the picture (no pun intended).
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Post by pjsolla on May 16, 2006 1:42:04 GMT -6
bhist: Fox's book "would have muddled the film to a crawl?' By whose standards?
And Fox is " way out of the picture?" Your "intimation" is that Fox's material is outdated.
You are wrong on both counts. You list your opinion as factual. A dangerous thing to do!
And dealing with old stuff? Yes, old. But just mentioning what had transpired. Whoever said it was a current option? Only you.
PJS
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Post by bhist on May 16, 2006 3:18:59 GMT -6
Sorry PJ – I forgot I have to write very carefully in responding to you because you often misunderstand what I write and then overreact.
To clarify, muddled the film means Fox’s book is way too complex for a movie; nowhere did I state or imply that his book was outdated. Out of the picture simply means that Stone will not use Fox's book for the movie, but SOMS instead. So, I wasn’t wrong on both counts.
Besides, this topic has already been written about in mass in another thread within this forum.
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Post by pjsolla on May 16, 2006 7:41:48 GMT -6
bhist: No, I don't "misunderstand and then overreact". I read what you wrote.
What happens is you write something that comes across one way. Then as you get "feedback", you make adjustments stating that it was not understood.
You said, "Fox's book would have muddled the film to a crawl", not that it was "too complex". Too complex was after the fact.
And as far as Stone not using Fox's book, I have not heard that as yet. I think the jury is still out on that one, unless you have more specific contacts than I. My most recent correspondence was that the content of the movie is still open for for inclusion, should they go ahead with production. Which may be stalled due to financing.
And if this subject has been written about in another thread, fine. However, it was started, responded to by others, and I elected to respond. Though if the moderator felt it was a redundant thread, she could have stopped it.
But, this conversation has covered what we have to and I don't want to drag it on, ad infinitum.
Regards, PJS
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Post by crzhrs on May 16, 2006 9:35:43 GMT -6
How about Billy Ray Thornton as Benteen . . . both have "southern" connections and BRT does have that intimidating look about him.
Isiah Dorman: Samuel L. Jackson?
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Post by bubbabod on May 16, 2006 10:15:30 GMT -6
Elizabeth, you're absolutely right: Gary Oldman, not Gary Cole. Gary Cole just never sold me on the Custer character. Crshrse, Samuel L. Jackson as Dorman? That might work. He's a great actor. I really like Danny Glover in Silverado and think he'd have made a great Dorman, again, if he was 10 years younger. Of course, non-LBH buffs wouldn't know anything about the ages of the actual men. bhist, it's a shame you've got it in for Fox. In reading the message boards and your responses, you seem to be the only one who really has no respect for Fox's work. Almost like a vendetta. What a shame.
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