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Post by weir on Jun 10, 2005 15:43:49 GMT -6
Can one of you fellow Americans give a little review of Into the West serie starting tonight ? On photos, it seems too much hollywoodian anyway... I expect a little more objectivity, regarding Custer at the Washita (depicted ).... On LBH, don't tell a producer it can exist a clear analysis instead of the infamous *stampede of buffalo" always depicted on screen, he would not understand.. Spielberg is the producer, so a little, little hope exists...? But about Washita, I'm probably dreaming... Black Kettle will be depicted as a good chief and Custer a brutal murderer... Just the contrary of the reality... I WAS DREAMING : interview from the writer of Into the west : "We go to Sand Creek and the Washita, two of the worst massacres of Indians by cavalry in American history" www.celebritywonder.com/movie/2005_Into_the_West_production_interview_kirk_ellis_writer.htmlStupidity has no rules in Hollywood...
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Post by alfuso on Jun 13, 2005 7:56:16 GMT -6
stupity rules in Hollywood. They are also lazy. It' s easier to use the PC myths.
I haven't been able to talk myself into watching it. It makes me cringe.
Though from what I have heard about it so far, it sounds a bit like "Centennial."
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Post by guidon7 on Jun 16, 2005 9:02:22 GMT -6
Re: "INTO THE WEST" (Or so they say):
Tried watching episode #1 but couldn't stay with it for long. I don't want to get my hopes up, but I still want to see how Mr. Spielberg handles the Indian Wars/Custer thing. Anyone know what date the episode on this subject will be dealt with?
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Post by Diane Merkel on Jun 16, 2005 9:08:43 GMT -6
Episode 5 is the Little Big Horn story. It will air on July 15, 16, and 17 at 8 PM, 7PM Central.
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Post by Scout on Jun 16, 2005 19:20:18 GMT -6
They in some ways tried to copy Deadwood...the dark and gritty look, but that was about the only thing close to Deadwood. The whole thing was pretty dreadful...I had serious doubts when I heard Spielberg was behind it......it is a total PC account of the west.....or at least the first one was....each episode has a different Director, so maybe one will succeed....I cringe to think what they will do with the Little Big Horn. I have some serious reservations about how they will portray Custer......this thing looks pretty predictable.
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Post by guidon7 on Jun 17, 2005 11:45:17 GMT -6
Thank you Diane for the program info. Sitting thru every bit of "The West According To Spielberg" would be like being stretched on the rack. Hope you have a pleasant summer in Niceville and a good LBHA conference. If you don't know who this is, well, just chalk it up to another Little Big Horn mystery.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Jun 18, 2005 0:06:33 GMT -6
I know who you are! It's nice to hear from you again. When we return from the conference, maybe Chuck and I can drive over to UFO-land and meet you for dinner. Take care! Diane
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Post by guidon7 on Jun 18, 2005 11:39:27 GMT -6
Sounds good. I'll even hop in my saucer and meet you guys halfway.
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Post by bhist on Jun 18, 2005 22:29:58 GMT -6
I watched the second part tonight and I have to say that it was one of the worst made-for-TV movies I’ve ever seen. Totally predictable and follows all the typical stereotypes of the western.
A wagon rolls over in a rushing stream; someone drowns. A plains thunderstorm, the horses are spooked, they stampede and kill someone in the process – another grave is dug. Cholera hits, people die. The only prediction I had that didn’t happen – I figured near the end when the Indians are getting drunk around a campfire, they would end-up getting into an argument resulting in one killing another.
An Indian village is attacked and massacred – the attacking party? As predicted, the Crow are responsible for the massacre. Of course the Crow have to be the bad guys –they eventually become allies with the white army. But, when a Cheyenne party attacks and massacres the wagon train the reason given is they kill the whites so they don’t get cholera. YET, they take captive a white woman. Where is the logic in that? There isn’t any.
Spielberg – the director and producer who has given us countless great films and made-for-TV movies really embarrassed himself with this one.
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Post by PGBIII on Jun 19, 2005 0:09:43 GMT -6
Bob hit that on the head. His review was far better than the movie. I watched it and like Bob, predicted each darn scene. Since I will be at the two conferences the next two weeks I probably will not miss a thing. When I return, it’s back to baseball for me. PS: How can I get logged into this board again? It seems to have forgotten me, or else I am having another senior moment.
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Post by PGBIII on Jun 19, 2005 0:09:59 GMT -6
Bob hit that on the head. His review was far better than the movie. I watched it and like Bob, predicted each darn scene. Since I will be at the two conferences the next two weeks I probably will not miss a thing. When I return, it’s back to baseball for me. PS: How can I get logged into this board again? It seems to have forgotten me, or else I am having another senior moment.
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Post by bhist on Jun 19, 2005 5:58:26 GMT -6
Wish I could help you with login problems PGBIII, but I'll have to leave that up to Diane.
Back to "Into the West" -- I'm still planning to program my DVD recorder so I don't miss any of these wonderful episodes while in Montana. At least being able to fast-forward through the commercials makes watching the show somewhat bearable.
But, I must ask you -- aren't you a little bit curious to see how they film the LBH?
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Post by Scout on Jun 19, 2005 6:21:30 GMT -6
Will definitely tune in the night of the Last Stand.....Did you see where they are remaking ''Son of the Morning Star'' for theater release...Diane posted a small tidbit on it here somewhere. I know that Oliver Stone had wanted to do a LBH picture several years ago.....had a commitment from Brad Pitt to play Custer but the whole project folded for lack of a script. I wonder what that have been like? JFK is a very good movie although total fiction...Stone loves controversy.....I'm sure the crux of the film would have been Reno & Benteen's involvement in Custer's demise....don't know if they have cast Custer yet in the ''Morning'' flick.
Scout
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Post by guidon7 on Jun 19, 2005 12:42:34 GMT -6
As far as casting the new "Son of the Morning Star" I realize it's a little late for the following guy, but wouldn't Carroll O'Connor in his grouchiest Archie Bunker mode have been a great Benteen? Can't think of anyone to play Reno offhand, but a younger Jack Palance, with his Slavic high cheekbones plus a false hawk-nose (a la Custer) would do the general right. On the negative side Palance is a little big to play Custer, but a fact like that never stopped Hollywood before.
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Post by PGBIII on Jun 19, 2005 13:12:02 GMT -6
John M: Yes, I will watch the LBH and the Washita episodes, or whatever they have. My gripe with it is that it is too slow, too derivative and way too stereotypical. They just toss in one from column A and one from column B and add a dash or melodrama and there you have it. It basically looks like all the western epics I can remember for the past 40 years. Take a scene from How the West Was Won, add a scene from Man in the Wilderness, toss in a piece of Centennial and don’t forget to have a few Latinos and an African-American and dignified Indians and of course, the tender but resilient woman who can clean house, birth babies, seduce warriors and change the flat tire on the ‘ol conestoga. I actually started picking up the paper and reading during the show. I’ll probably watch it again if there is nothing else that calls me during one of its many showings, but I am just not engaged in the story. I liked Jimmy Stewart better the first time around. (4 more days and I will be in Montana!!!!!! Yeahhhhhh!!!!!)
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