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Post by markland on Jun 19, 2005 17:26:23 GMT -6
Perry, you should come up with some alternate lyrics to "Graceland" for your drive up there! ;D
Billy
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Post by weir on Jun 23, 2005 13:30:11 GMT -6
JFK is a very good movie although total fiction... I don't like Oliver Stone but I have to admit that JFK is unfortunately not "total fiction". There are some mistakes but the main line of the script is very close to the truth. Even if you don't want to agree, especially if you were an american citizen at the time. The funniest thing is probably the Oswald photograph on the cover of "Life" : Oswald is showing with the rifle that was told to have killed Kennedy, the revolver that was told to have killed Tippit and a communist newspaper...! I wonder if the FBI will once be forgiven to take us for idiots...? Maybe in the future... Custer's story is not resolved 129 years later... Actually, I don't know if Stone making LBH would have been a good idea, when we see what he did with Alexander the Great's story...
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Post by Danny on Jun 23, 2005 15:01:30 GMT -6
I have been watching into the west. I have enjoyed it although the PC stuff is a little frustrating. It looks as if the next episode will deal with the Grattan battle or skirmish. That should be interesting, I do not recall it being depicted before. In looking at the website and seeing the previews it is also obvious that Sand Creek, The Washita and LBH will be covered. My concern is one clip I have seen repeatedly looks like it is from the Fetterman Battle. Soldiers are on what appears to be a ridge and Indians come out of ambush. I truly hope this is not depicting LBH but I have not been able to find any mention of the Fetterman fight in episode guides.
I do not mind if the actual fighting is depicted differently in the LBH scenes. When I say differently I mean from how I or other buffs think it happened. (running battle, last stand, no last stand, Indians on horse, on foot, etc.) But I hope they get the terrain right. I remember a mini-series in 96 called Crazy Horse. It had the Fetterman Fight and LBH. From what I can recall the Fetterman Fight had pretty accurate terrain but no snow. LBH had General Custer's horse laboring to make it up last stand hill it was so steep. I believe the guy from Wings portrayed General Custer although I could be wrong.
Although a lot of the thinking regarding the flow of the battle has changed from the runing fight depicted in Son of the Morning Star, from what I recall the terrain was very accurate. By the way it seems very difficult to find a copy of STMS to rent. Does anyone know if any of the channels would be airing it over the week-end it being the anniversary and all? I hope you all enjoy the week-end, I wish I could be there.
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Post by weir on Jun 24, 2005 8:42:14 GMT -6
I have been watching into the west. I have enjoyed it although the PC stuff is a little frustrating. It looks as if the next episode will deal with the Grattan battle or skirmish. That should be interesting, I do not recall it being depicted before. . In "Crazy Horse" opening, Grattan's affair is depicted.
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Post by alfuso on Jun 24, 2005 17:02:35 GMT -6
Peter Horton portrayed Custer in the "Crazy Horse" movie.
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Post by weir on Jun 24, 2005 17:17:17 GMT -6
Peter Horton portrayed Custer in the "Crazy Horse" movie. alfuso A very good Custer, physically. But LBH, the story (shot in the river) and the ladscape is bad.
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Post by alfuso on Jun 24, 2005 20:06:23 GMT -6
oh gawd, I just watched the previews for the next INTO THE WEST. Gird yer loins for a VERY "PC" Custer.
"The 7th Cavalry is charged with ridding the plains of these savages."
I gotta go look that quote up...
alfuso
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Post by Lawtonka on Jun 25, 2005 15:26:33 GMT -6
I noticed that Russell Means was in the episode this weekend. I think he is the older Running Fox.
Yeah...I caught the preview that you speak of about the 7th getting the job.
One thing I do appreciate, at least the Indians are speaking their language and don't talk like Tonto. I don't know Lakota language, but if what they are speaking is authentic, I like it! I don't mind reading the subtitles at all, it makes the Indian side of the story more interesting.
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Post by alfuso on Jun 25, 2005 19:49:57 GMT -6
missed wife-beater Means. I was more interested in seeing Graham Green.
alfuso
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Post by Scout on Jun 26, 2005 9:45:32 GMT -6
I gotta think LITTLE BIG MAN had the best overall battle scenes of any Custer/LBH movie....I really liked the confusion going on in the background as Mulligan rants and raves...it was shot on the actual battlefield so you can't argue with the terrain....SON OF THE MORNING STAR was as close as Hollywood has come to presenting the actual participants....the battle was pretty good although there were to many close up action shots....where was it shot? The battle scenes in the Crazy Horse movie were pretty good. Someone said the battle scenes in TONKA were really good, but I've not seen that movie in 40 years!
Russell Means: The non-thinking man's man....not a bad actor, but not in the same class as Wes Studi.
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Post by bhist on Jun 26, 2005 22:32:58 GMT -6
SON OF THE MORNING STAR was as close as Hollywood has come to presenting the actual participants....the battle was pretty good although there were to many close up action shots....where was it shot? Shot along Pryor Creek between the battlefield and Billings.
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Post by Grahame Wood on Jun 27, 2005 11:25:04 GMT -6
Wasn't LBM shot in Canada?
Did Custer talk about ridding the plains of savages? Dunno. Wasn't there. Did refer to the Indians as savages, however; in print, too.
Way back when (early 70s...), I used to admire Means, but for someone to criticise the accuracy of Dances with Wolves (yeah, we all know it's Lawrence of the Plains) yet agree to appear as a woefully inaccurate Sitting Bull in the adaptation of McMurtyry's Buffalo Girls (I think that's what it was called) suggests an element of self-promotion. Liked him in Last of the Mohicans, however.
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Post by bhist on Jun 27, 2005 11:29:45 GMT -6
Wasn't LBM shot in Canada? Yes, part of it was. Custer's Last Stand was filmed in Medicine Tail Coulee and the ford. Go to -- www.friendslittlebighorn.com/Archeology-survey-2004.htm -- scroll down to the section under the heading "Custer's Cartridge?" and you'll see where it was filmed. Also, I'm in the process of adding the new section highlighting Thom Ross's art exhibit this past weekend to the website, which was also in the same location as "Little Big Man."
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Post by Grahame Wood on Jun 27, 2005 12:25:34 GMT -6
Didn't know that! Sounds infuriating. I'm surprised it was allowed.
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Post by bhist on Jun 27, 2005 14:18:27 GMT -6
Didn't know that! Sounds infuriating. I'm surprised it was allowed. The exhibit was outside the NPS boundaries on private land.
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