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Post by fred on Dec 31, 2005 11:22:22 GMT -5
Billy--
Are they THAT good? THAT definitive? If so, I'll buy them. (One of the problems you run into after reading so much about a subject is that you begin looking only for DEFINITIVE works, not just somebody's cursory whims. I'da been a tad miffed had I run into Strictly From Hunger-ford's book before reading Elisabeth's & alfuso's posts. At MY age, it's time, not so much money, that counts!)
Happy new year, Billy!
Fred.
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Post by markland on Dec 31, 2005 11:28:50 GMT -5
Fred, I think so. Granted, I am still learning as I go but definitely you need Frontier Regulars to even begin to understand the dynamics involved on the military-civilian side of the equation. There are other books that build upon F.R., but I think that for a detailed overview, Utley can not be surpassed. Let me run upstairs, I believe I have a copy I have been saving to read for a blizzard.
EDIT:
Nope, the "blizzard book" is Ostler's The Plains Sioux and U. S. Colonialism From Lewis and Clark to Wounded Knee. Ahhh, just found the book I was looking for, which is not exactly what I was looking for, Michael Tate's The Frontier Army in the Settlement of the West.
Billy
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Post by fred on Dec 31, 2005 11:34:35 GMT -5
Billy--
Have you seen a little tiny book called "The 1862 U.S. Cavalry Tactics," by Philip St. George Cooke? I was looking on Amazon for a copy of Upton's tactics (1873?) & only could find this one by St. Geo. Cooke. It's a beaut! 2 inches wide x 4 inches high x 1 1/4 inches thick. It's REALLY interesting.
Fred.
P.S.-- A blizzard?!! How about a wildfire? My God!!
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Post by fred on Dec 31, 2005 11:40:32 GMT -5
Billy--
I'm in SW Florida... my "blizzard" book is a re-read of the Sharas' trilogy!
Fred.
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Post by markland on Dec 31, 2005 11:41:01 GMT -5
Billy-- Have you seen a little tiny book called "The 1862 U.S. Cavalry Tactics," by Philip St. George Cooke? I was looking on Amazon for a copy of Upton's tactics (1873?) & only could find this one by St. Geo. Cooke. It's a beaut! 2 inches wide x 4 inches high x 1 1/4 inches thick. It's REALLY interesting. Fred. P.S.-- A blizzard?!! How about a wildfire? My God!! Please don't mention the word fire around my cellar!!! Cooke's manual is on-line somewhere, I will hunt up the URL. I have some of Upton's 1873 School of the Horse on-line without a link at this URL: freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~familyinformation/upton/upton_skirmishers.rtfYou should be able to open it with any word processing software which supports rich text format. Billy |
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Post by markland on Dec 31, 2005 11:42:33 GMT -5
"re-read of the Sharas' trilogy!"
Have you read the son's work on the American Revolution? Good stuff!
Billy
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Post by Diane Merkel on Dec 31, 2005 11:55:25 GMT -5
Fred and I need a stack of hurricane books! ;D
Billy and Fred -- Happy New Year to you both. You and our other "boarders" have made 2005 extra-special for me. To steal TwoMoon's idea from Christmas (though not so colorful) . . .
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Post by markland on Dec 31, 2005 12:20:53 GMT -5
Diane, thanks for hosting this rambunctious bunch of miscreants!
I found something new yesterday. The first time I had seen this as a cause of death. A soldier in the 10th Cav. died from being gored by a buffalo! It doesn't grab the imagination as much as the infantryman who, according to the regimental return, died from "overeating."
Back to proofing, playtime is over.
Billy
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Post by fred on Dec 31, 2005 12:21:17 GMT -5
Diane--
Nah! it's US who should be thankful to YOU. Especially someone like me. You have provided me-- US-- w/ something I certainly never knew existed (you already know I chanced upon it by a fluke) & through that genius, I have "met" an amazing group of people w/ interests as wild & as deep as mine. Despite my age, I never could imagine these people existed. Twomoons, crzhrs, Billy, Elisabeth, alfuso, El Crab, West, custerstillstands, Jim, Tony, Melani, shatonska, d o harris, historynut1876, Leyton McLean & on & on. This has been a pleasure beyond description & there is only one person to thank-- you.
My hat's off to you, young lady! Your concept & its execution are brilliant.
Happy new year, Diane.
Fred.
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Post by crzhrs on Dec 31, 2005 13:40:50 GMT -5
I would like to say that the majority of people on this forum have acted like ladies and gentlemen and have not responded with name-calling and insults. I am pleased to be part of it.
Let's keep up the inciteful and intelligent work and to all A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
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Post by elisabeth on Dec 31, 2005 14:11:45 GMT -5
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Post by markland on Dec 31, 2005 14:20:47 GMT -5
Elisabeth, thank you! The exact link I was thinking of (which I had promptly forgotten to find after signing off earlier).
Best,
Billy
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Post by fred on Dec 31, 2005 14:49:35 GMT -5
Helluva lot bigger'n the book, I'll tell you!
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Post by Tricia on Dec 31, 2005 17:12:05 GMT -5
Three cheers for the New Year and all the great people to share it with! Let's keep this board humming with good information and good humor ...!
Happy 2006, y'all ... !!
Leyton McLean
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Post by Melani on Dec 31, 2005 18:05:50 GMT -5
I am having so much fun, and I can't thank you guys enough. El Crab, it seems 4th grade is about the time many people get hooked on this. I find your change in perspective interesting--the library was too far away at 20 miles, but now you're an adult with a car, the battlefield is only 990 miles. I have just suggested to my husband that he might like to vacation in Montana next June, but I doubt he'll take me up on it. I have greater hopes for a colleague at work, but a family emergency has used up all her vacation time--maybe she will have accrued more by June.
Elizabeth, after reading your list, I would say you and I have a lot in common, though you seem to have about three times as much of it. I had recently determined that I have to get my hands on the Barnitz and Katy Gibson stuff.
One book I don't think I saw mentioned is "The Custer Album" by Lawrence A. Frost, a very cool collection of photos and drawings. I think it's one of the books I got at the battlefield in 1971, the only time I was ever there (but now I'm an adult with a car!).
The very first thing that sucked me in was "Comanche of the Seventh" by Margaret Leighton. Even though it's a novel, it was obvious to me at age 10 that she had done a lot of research. I also have her "Story of General Custer", another "young readers" book, but recently discovered a very weird thing. After watching the movie "Gettysburg", I became interested in Joshua L. Chamberlain. In his book, "The Passing of Armies", he describes watching the flag of truce approach, and "wondering where in either army was found a towel, and one so white." In Leighton's book, she gives that quote to Tom Custer! Obviously, she did the research, but why use it that way?!?!
Anyway, I went to my local public library, but like El Crab, couldn't find much--Jay Monaghen was it. In those days there were no computers, and I had no idea how to find resources when I didn't even know what they were or who wrote them. (Leighton, unfortunately, didn't include a bibliography.) I got several books when I finally visited the battlefield--"The Custer Myth" was another--but made the mistake of bring my parents along, and they really weren't interested in spending days there--a couple of hours was more like it. I was too shy to ask many questions.
A couple of years ago it suddenly occurred to me to do a web search on Myles Keogh, my major interest--and the amount of info was overwhelming! It's all been a great uphill ride from there, and a major piece of my life is back in business.
So thanks again, guys, and Happy New Year!
Melani
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