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Post by Dark Cloud on Jul 26, 2006 7:30:18 GMT -6
Learn....
1. In 1876, absolutely everybody said Custer had divided the regiment. Nobody, in fact, said otherwise. Nobody called Curley a fool. They called him a liar.
2. For 10k years, conquered peoples have sucked up to their rulers. Nobody said the Indians were fools. Some said they were liars. Saying a fight is "hard" doesn't mean it wasn't one sided and a slaughter. It was a hot day. The term "hard" does not necessarily mean "many casualties."
3. How did, and where did, Red Horse, Herendeen break out Indian casualty figures? Who is Captain Burke? Do you mean Bourke? He wasn't there and not a witness. Was Burke? With who? How did they distinguish the Rosebud dead from the LBH dead?
4. Sklenar proved nothing except that it was possible for people who do no first hand research to get books published. Basing your own work on him is compounding the error.
5. Explain this sentence "The mystery is a matter of will." Eh?
Again, your vocabulary errors, mind numbing falsehoods, and melodramatic announcements that make no grammatical sense don't bode well.
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Post by crzhrs on Jul 26, 2006 8:19:08 GMT -6
West:
<Fox's theory (which is dismissed by the way),>
Who dismissed Fox's theory? You?
Who's scorning NA statements? Not me . . . however Indian translation leaves a lot to be desired and you continually refuse to believe that Indians may have been coerced or intimidated into saying what the White Man wanted to hear.
And how can you possibly believe that Indians understood the white man's way of counting and telling time? Do you believe Two Moons when he said he went over the battlefield and using sticks counted 310 dead white men?
Of course you refuse to believe Indians when they say the Custer fight was a rout and ended quickly, but are quick to believe other Indians when they said Custer fought hard. You cannot pick and choose what you want to believe because it supports you opinions.
No where in my post did I attack you or your brother. As usual, when anyone has a different view you revert to the sarcasm and insults.
PS: Glad you're back . . . things might get lively again!!!!
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Post by Tricia on Jul 26, 2006 8:19:47 GMT -6
Learn.... Again, your vocabulary errors, mind numbing falsehoods, and melodramatic announcements that make no grammatical sense don't bode well. DC-- Perhaps you could write above sentence in perfectly grammatical French ...? Could you? Get off the kid's back! Many of us might not agree with word one of either David or Xav's Custer Love, but they have always been an entertaining addition to this board and a delightful exercise in frustration ... well, most of the time. Of course, you're just mean. |
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Post by Tricia on Jul 26, 2006 8:23:42 GMT -6
Crzhrs--
Yeah, things might get even livelier if David came back ... but of course, he's now a famous author, too good for the likes of us!
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Post by weir on Jul 26, 2006 8:45:29 GMT -6
David is in the army - infantry, for 21 weeks. Everybody must go to the army in Switzerland during about 300 days between 20 and 30 years old. Firing, sleeping in the woods, and so on... a wonderful Summer.
"The mystery is a matter of will" - it is clear to me... and even to the translator of altavista.com... If you have the will to dig, the mystery is not one anymore... Sorry if I tried a complex sentence... Darkcloud, as usual... the idiot cow-boy in all his splendor... ;D Boulder is not far from civilization, I visited it, get out of your hole !
Well now I'll get back to things more serious.. bye.
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Post by crzhrs on Jul 26, 2006 8:59:01 GMT -6
Weir:
David in the military? How do you know that? Any connection and/or ties to the David/West family?
Hopefully he will not be in any conflicts . . . but maybe now he will understand military matters, rather than guessing about what goes through one's mind when they are in combat and/or a frightening/dangerous situation.
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Post by crzhrs on Jul 26, 2006 9:17:27 GMT -6
Just an observation regarding Indian casualties at the LBH:
Based on the battle and how it unfolded it appears that not many would be killed. It was a disorganized running rout for most of the fight and this would allow warriors to survive rather than die in huge numbers.
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Post by Dark Cloud on Jul 26, 2006 9:19:41 GMT -6
Sorry, Mclean. When is it appropriate to listen to people long dead called traitor and coward on bogus evidence acceptable without comment? Yes, West and his alleged/photoshopped brother are spoiled children with pretentions, but they should not get away with this crap.
If I ever pretend to fluency in other languages and clumsily deride others in it, make sure you are the first to drop kick me for it, for I'll deserve it. That I'm culturally illiterate in the language in question, as these two are but don't know it, would be zero excuse.
That they're too emotionally unstable to post without chickening out and taking it down quickly (but not quick enough) sums it up well, don't you think? They're also clumsy liars, as the title of this thread proves, as well. And their shills/fake user ID's are equally convincing and impressive.
They deserve no protection, no kindness. They're attempting to financially profit on falsehoods.
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Post by Tricia on Jul 26, 2006 10:20:04 GMT -6
DC--
Oh, what would we ever do without your heroic dedication to ridding this board of exaggerations, uniform wearers, Friends of Rich Fox, grammatical errors, sentimentality, word misusers, English as Second Languagers, lovers of baseball, and oh, yes, the "unstable." Congratulations are surely in order for such noble and exemplary actions!
And what is the best way to keep the Cornuts from profiteering? Don't buy their darn book. They make no money contributing to discussions here.
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Post by armand on Jul 26, 2006 10:35:57 GMT -6
Frankly, Darkcloud, your remarks are insulting and patronizing to the highest degree: "learn" that nobody profits financially in Europe from historical publications, and that David's work is a labor of love in honor of his hero, just as Whittaker's was. He goes about it with the enthusiasm of youth which quite naturally leads him to overlook some sources, stress others, and take sides, ready to break lances with anyone who disagrees.But I suppose you're immune to that kind of "crap". Perhaps you were never even a teenager?
So what if David espouses wholeheartedly the conspiracy theory? Many people do, and there are (at least) enough reasons to damn Reno and Benteen to Hell as there are to whitewash them (hey, by the way, any relatives of yours? or simply spiritual kinship with Benteen? ). I resent your snide remarks on spelling and grammar, that seem to be the hallmarks of your postings here, and that deflect from our main concern, substance. People like you who can't criticize without being offensive I try to avoid. Or I roll up my sleeves and ask them to step outside.
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Post by Dark Cloud on Jul 26, 2006 13:36:47 GMT -6
It's either a labor of love for his hero.......or it's a work of history. It cannot be both. That you seem not to realize the difference is damning. And there are not a few European historians who do okay. Sorry you haven't read any, or about any, or you'd know that.
This is assuming you're different from West and CSS and Lorenzo and the several others who use different ID's.
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Post by Tricia on Jul 26, 2006 13:38:31 GMT -6
You know what happens when you assume, DC ... tsk, tsk.
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Post by armand on Jul 26, 2006 14:10:03 GMT -6
History is composed of many individual facts and figures, material evidence that means nothing without interpretation, and subjective evidence such as eye witness accounts. It is the task of the historian to offer suitable emplotment, and his inspiration is often akin to that of the historical novelist (see Munslow's De-constructing History, or Richard Slotnik's presentation of his biography of Lincoln) but maybe these recognized historian's don't measure up to your standards. What is fascinating about LBH (and why we're all here) and exasperating at the same time is that there was a true story, but that all the bits and pieces that we try to fit together will never elicit universal agreement.
And yes, a work of history can, and must be a labor of love, if not for one of the characters, at least for the subject.
One last point, not only am I American, but I'm a rather thin-skinned Southron who doesn't take kindly to personal attacks and innuendos, especially when unnecessary. If you find conspiracy theories so appealing (so maybe I'm West, or Lorenzo, or Bin Laden or your kinsman, Duncan McLeod) then concentrate on 9/11 or the Da Vinci Code.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jul 26, 2006 21:36:18 GMT -6
Where is Southron?
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Post by crzhrs on Jul 27, 2006 8:41:59 GMT -6
Yes there are many bits and pieces of the LBH mystery that are missing . . . however, one shoud not try to force a round peg in to a square hole!
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