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Post by ladonna on Nov 13, 2007 13:29:06 GMT -6
I have been doing research on Four Horns.
Father unknown: Mother unknown SON: SITTING BULL: BORN 1799, DIED: 1859 SON: FOUR HORNS: BORN: 1814, DIED 1887 SON: LOOKS FOR HIM IN A TENT: DIED UNKNOWN some information from winter counts: 1843-Four Horns went to war with the Crow he was thought to be dead but return a year later. 1856- Four Horn’s made a medicine man 1887-Four Horns Died
Four Horns Hunkpapa Chief and War Leader, he was the uncle to Sitting Bull. He fought in the Little Big Horn Battle. Icira -- Sitting Bull and Four Horns
any other information out there???
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Post by mika on Nov 27, 2007 4:07:51 GMT -6
according to Utley he was made shirt wearer 1851
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Post by ephriam on Nov 27, 2007 8:21:13 GMT -6
Good morning, LaDonna. Happy Holidays.
At the time of his transfer to the Standing Rock Agency in 1881, Four Horns family looked like this:
He-to-pa Four Horns age 58, chief Wa-kin-yan-to-win Blue Thunder Woman, wife, age 60 He-to-pa Four Horns Jr., son, age 26 Pte-san-du-ta-win, Red White Buffalo Cow, dau., 20
For the year 1880-81, Four Horns' family reported that they had killed 200 buffalo and 12 deer, and they had 1 dog.
I am not certain why the ennumerator for the census gave the daughter's name in Dakota dialect.
He and his family went with Sitting Bull to Fort Randall as prisoners of war. Four Horn's wife died at Fort Randall on Dec. 12, 1881.
He returned to Standing Rock in April 1883 with the Sitting Bull band. Several months later, Agent McLaughlin split up Sitting Bull's band into several smaller bands, including one under the leadership of Four Horns. By 1885, his band included 14 families. In the 1885 Standing Rock census, his family looked like:
He Topa (Chief) Four Horns widower, age 71 Pte san Luta Red Gray Cow, dau., 24 Tamaheca Lean, dau., age 45
Ephriam
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 28, 2007 15:48:19 GMT -6
Walter Campbell alias Stanley Vestal asked Joseph White Bull in one of his interviews if Four Horns had ever let someone take a photograph of him. He simply answered: "I don´t know."
...sigh.
P.S. WB said the same about Chief Makes Room.
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Post by ladonna on Nov 29, 2007 15:37:51 GMT -6
I know of No photo of Four Horns, He was Sitting Bull's uncle and a great leader in his own right. he was at Little Big Horn
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Post by ladonna on Nov 30, 2007 9:59:47 GMT -6
Ephriam do you have other names of his wives? I know he had a Arikara wife like his brother. I am also researching White Bull who has been reported to have 18 wives. One of his wives was a Ute indian.
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Post by ladonna on Dec 17, 2007 14:03:28 GMT -6
GRANDFATHER OF SITTING BULL-- GRANDMOTHER: UNKNOWN SON: SITTING BULL: BORN 1799, DIED: 1859 SON: FOUR HORNS: BORN: 1814, DIED 1887 SON: LOOKS FOR HIM IN A TENT: UNKNOWN
FATHER OF SITTING BULL: TATANKA PTAICA: BORN: 1799 DIED; 1859 MOTHER: UMPAN WASTEWIN/HER HOLY DOOR: DIED 1884 (San Arc)
SITTING BULL HAD FIVE WIVES THOUGH OUT HIS LIFETIME LIGHT HAIR, SNOW ON HER, RED WOMAN, SEEN BY HER NATION AND FOUR ROBES. 12 CHILDREN WERE BORN TO SITTING BULL.
CHILDREN:
SON-SITTING BULL BORN: 1831 DIED:1890 DAUGHTER-WAYAKAWASTEWIN/GOOD FEATHER: BORN: 1825 DAUGHTER- TASINA ZIZI/TWIN WOMAN:
SITTING BULL;
SITTING BULL’S WIVES
1. LIGHT HAIR: MARRIED: 1851 DIED: 1857 SON BORN 1857 DIED 1861
2. SNOW ON HER-(ARIKARA WIFE) MARRIED 1861 AND DIVORCED 1869 AND RETURN TO HER PEOPLE AND REMARRIED AT FORT BERTHOLD RESERVATION.
DAUGHTER: HER MANY HORSE BORN 1863 AND DIED ON STANDING ROCK MARRIED THOMAS FLY MAY 1881 WHO DIED ON STANDING ROCK CHILDREN: SON: JOE FLY-TONKEYE WAKUWA-CHASES FRIST DIED SEPTEMBER 20, 1912 SON: FELIX FLY-MOTHER ALMA RAMSEY DIED 1909 DAUGHTER: SEE WALKING/WALKS LOOKING BORN 1968 DIED 1887 ON THE GRAND RIVER WALKS LOOKING MARRIED TO ANDREW FOX IN 1885. ANDREW FOX-SUNGINA NEPHEW OF WHITE GHOST AND WIZI. ONE SON BORN NAMED CHASE NEAR LATER KNOWN AS ANDREW FOX JR.
3. RED WOMAN/SCARLET WOMAN MARRIED: 1871 DIED1876 DIED FROM DISEASE
SON: DIED IN CHILDBIRTH SON: TAKES THE GUN, BORN 1868 DIED 1877 KILLED BY HEAD TRAUMA
4. FOUR ROBES/FOUR TIMES WOMAN
SON: RUN AWAY FROM BORN 1876 DIED 1879 SON CROWFOOT: BORN 1876 DIED 1890 KILLED WITH FATHER SON: SITTING EAGLE BORN 1880 SON: 1880 ANOTHER SET OF TWINS DIED AT BIRTH CHILD: 1888 DIED AT BIRTH
STEPSON-WILLIAM SITTING BULL 1876-1909 FATHER: BEAR LOUSE WILLIAM MARRIED SCOUT WOMAN DAUGHTER: NANCY SITTING BULL 1903-1959 MARRIED GRORGE STEWARD
STEPSON: LEWIS SITTING BULL FATHER BEAR LOUSE LEWIS MARRIED ZITKANAWASTEWIN-MARY PRETTY BIRD MARY DIED 1898
5. SEEN BY HER NATION DAUGHTER: STANDING HOLY BORN BORN: 1878 DIED 19— MARRIED URBAN SPOTTED HORSE THEY HAD MANY CHILDREN ONLY TWO LIVED TO ADULTHOOD. DAUGHTER: ANGELINE SPOTTED HORSE MARRIED ALLISON LITTLE SPOTTED HORSES DAUGHTER: SARAH LITTLE SPOTTED HORSES MARRIED DAVID LITTLE SPOTTED HORSES CHILD: 1887 DIED
ADOPTED SON: BLUE MOUNTAIN BORN 18—DIED 1956 (JOHN SITTING BULL)
ADOPTED SON: LITTLE SOLDIER MARRIED MARTHA FLYING HAIL DAUGHTER JENNIE LITTLE SOLDIER MARRIED WILLIAM WEASEL BEAR
SITTING BULL’S SISTER:
TWIN WOMAN, WHO WAS ALSO KNOWN AS BROWN SHAWL WOMAN, BROWN ROBE, MARY FOUR WOMAN, AND MARY ONE BULL
BROWN SHAWL WOMAN MARRIED HERBERT HAWK SHIELD, THE SON OF HAWK SHIELD (CETANWAHACANKA) AND THEY HAD TWO CHILDREN TO LIVE INTO ADULTHOOD,
LILLIAN (1899 1980) HERBERT, JR. (1901 1944).
THREE OTHERS, ABBIE, EDITH, AND HENRY, DIED IN 1906.
LILLIAN MARRIED HENRY SWIFT HORSE SON EDWARD SWIFTHORSE AKA FAST HORSE EDWARD MARRIED EVALINE SON- EDWARD DAUGHTER- MAGDELINE SON- VOLNEY SON- LAWRENCE SON- EDGAR SON- EDMUND
HERBET WELSH- MARRIED MAGGIE DAUGHTER-CATHERINE SON-HERBET SON-JAMES DAUGHTER-MARY DAUGHTER-MARGARET DAUGHTER JUDITH SON-DOUGLAS
GOOD FEATHER WOMAN MARRIED MAKES ROOM FOR HIM SON- PTE SAN HUNKA-JOSEPH WHITE BULL SON-TATANKA WANJI-OSCAR ONE BULL ADOPTED BY SITTING BULL
OSCAR ONE BULL
MARRIED ONE WHO KILLS ASSINBOINE WOMAN MARRIED YELLOW HAIR WOMAN MARRIED RED WHIRLEWIND WOMAN MARRIED SPOTTED HORSE
DAUGHTER-ROSE DAUGHTER-IDA DAUGHTER-CLARA DAUGHTER-CECELIA DAUGHTER MARGRET-NAKI WIZI PI WIN
ROSE MARRIED JOESPH RED BEAR DAUGHTER- MARY SON-HENRY SON-JACK DAUGHTER JENNIE SON-ISAAC
IDA- DAUGHTER-LIZZIE
CHILDREN OF LIZZIE SON- ERNEST DAUGHTER-SYBIL SON THOMAS
CECLIA
CHILDREN OF CECLIA SON-EDWIN BROWN DAUGHTER- GRACE DAUGHTER- RUTH DAUGHTER LILLIAN SON- CHARLES
LILLIAN MOTHER OF ISAAC DOGEAGLE
GRACE MARRIED BUD JAMERSON SON-JOSEPH SON-JAMES SON-EVERETTE SON-FRANK SON-KENNETH
SON OF GOOD FEATHER AND MAKES ROOM FOR HIM JOSEPH WHITE BULL-PTE SAN HUNKA BORN 1849- DIED1954 MARRIED- HOLY LODGE DIED 1894 MARRIED -ESTHER SMOKING WOMAN
SON-GEORGE WHITE BULL
GEORGE WHITE BULL DAUGHTER- HELEN SON- JAMES DAUGHTER- ROSE
DAUGHTER USES HER OWN WORDS-- OF GOOD FEATHER AND MAKES ROOM FOR HIM
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Post by ladonna on Dec 17, 2007 14:05:07 GMT -6
I know that White Bull had 18 wives and one was a Ute. Black Moon married Sitting Bull's aunt I am looking for her name.
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Post by brock on Dec 17, 2007 21:59:29 GMT -6
LaDonna, Red Woman's second son was kicked in the head by a horse at the battle of the Little Bighorn and died there according to Ernie LaPointe. It might not have been reported to the census until the following year...or the family members that reported this could have just plain changed the date to cover up the fact that they were at the battle. Also according to Ernie, Seen By Her Nation died in 1897. Four Robes was born in 1848 and died in 1929. Hope this helps.
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Post by pootatuck on Jan 10, 2008 20:40:05 GMT -6
Miss Earth! Did I tell you my wife is a Four Horns from Rosebud? Her grandma is Alice Four Horns, and her maiden name is Stands By Him. Alice's moms was Lillian Beads, Left Hand Bull, Stands. It got translated all over the place and I'm not even sure I got it right. I will see you over to our new place after your nephew figures it out. I will have my wife sign up and she can talk to you directly.
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Post by ladonna on Jan 11, 2008 11:04:18 GMT -6
Great! I have been doing the Four Horn research along with the other family members for the tribe. Four Horn was Sitting bull's Uncle
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Post by pootatuck on Jan 11, 2008 21:38:56 GMT -6
I will see you over to the new place and sign her up. It's not even two days old yet and it won't let me in. Sigh
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Post by ladonna on Jan 13, 2008 20:08:10 GMT -6
OW had to let me in I could not get in
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