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Post by Dietmar on May 10, 2007 12:57:50 GMT -6
Ladonna, although Kingsley did most of the work, I feel honored to contribute my little part to your question. You don´t know what it means to a german guy like me, who is for so long deeply interested in Native American history and culture, to get the chance to give a little bit back to those who inspired me all these years. I hope I said that in a right way, it´s not so easy to find exactly the right words in a foreign language...  Hope I can help you again soon Best wishes from Germany Dietmar Schulte-Möhring |
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Post by ladonna on May 18, 2007 8:46:08 GMT -6
Dietmar, I am in the process of trying to put together information on all our chief-Itancan here om Standing Rock. Sitting Bull, Running Antelope, Gall, Grass, Rain-In-the-face, Two Bears, Thunderhawk, Mad Bear, Big Head, Kills with Anger, Flying Bye and a few others.
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Post by apsalooka on May 19, 2007 1:51:05 GMT -6
LaDonna...whenever you ready with your info, I like to read it. Keep up doing the good work.
Henri
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Post by Dietmar on May 29, 2007 7:28:52 GMT -6
This photograph is from the "Gallery of the Open Frontier" in Lincoln, Nebraska. It shows some Standing Rock leaders, among them Thunder Hawk, but also Arikara and Hidatsa chiefs. I think the photo must be from around 1888, probably by Bell.  front row, left to right: Lean Wolf (Hidatsa), Rushing Bear (Arikara), John Grass (Blackfoot), Two Bears (the younger, Yanktonai), Big Head (Yanktonai) back row, far right: Thunder Hawk (Hunkpapa) I am not sure about the other delegates. Dietmar |
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Post by wolfgang on Jul 25, 2007 9:11:38 GMT -6
Hello, I´m from Germany.
I have info to the thread "Thunder Hawk"
Group of Sioux chiefs Standing Rock Agency.
I ordered that foto from the State Historical Society of North Dakota. On that foto are the names of all people.
from left to right:
Bear Face
Walking Soldier
Bear Ribs
Thunder Hawk
High Bear
Lone Dog
Black Eye
Big Head
Mrs. Galpin
Col. Hammond
Ella Hughes
Mrs. Alma Perkin
Running Antelope
Young Two Bear
Cottonwood
Gray Bear
John Grass
Young Fire Heart
Wolf Necklace
Mrs. Van Solen
Sorry for my bad english.
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Post by Dietmar on Jul 25, 2007 14:46:20 GMT -6
Wolfgang,
Willkommen an Bord!
Are you able to scan and post a higher resolution version of that photograph? Would be great!
Best wishes
Dietmar
P.S.: Mitterteich in Bavaria?
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Post by Diane Merkel on Jul 25, 2007 23:28:39 GMT -6
Welcome, Wolfgang! We love Germans here.  Your English is fine. I have had Dietmar translate American English for me -- remember that one, Dietmar? -- so please do not apologize for language difficulties. You and Dietmar can write here in German if you like. |
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 1, 2007 14:02:34 GMT -6
Although this is one of the many unidentified photographs by David F. Barry, I strongly believe that it shows Thunder Hawk, the Hunkpapa:  |
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Post by wolfgang on Aug 3, 2007 14:29:27 GMT -6
Hey Dietmar,
thanks for the identification of this unknown photo. Yes I agree with you that is Thunder Hawk, great.
How can I send to you the Standing Rock chiefs?
Look for my e-mail.
Yes, Mitterteich in Bayern, nahe der Tschechischen Grenze
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Post by ephriam on Aug 7, 2007 23:34:55 GMT -6
Good eye. I think you are right in identifying this photograph as Thunder Hawk.
The photographer however was not Barry. Note the painted backdrop. This was used by Goff in 1881 -- this may have been taken in Aug. 1881 at Standing Rock at the same time as the first portrait of Sitting Bull.
ephriam
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Post by wolfgang on Aug 13, 2007 7:38:54 GMT -6
Hello everybody, here is another photo from the Denver Puplic Library, taken by Goff in the fall of 1881. I would say this is Bear´s Rib the Hunkpapa chief. Compare the faces with the picture below.   |
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Post by crzhrs on Aug 13, 2007 13:15:30 GMT -6
1872-1888
And therein lies the sorry state of transition from free roaming proud man to a make-believe White person looking like a lost soul!
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 13, 2007 13:20:05 GMT -6
Absolutely right... Bear Ribs II.
Great comparison.
Grüße nach Bayern
Dietmar
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Post by grahamew on Aug 23, 2007 4:03:01 GMT -6
Isn't the delegation photo above from 1880? Look how young Grass appears to be. I have a Spotted Tail delegation photo (posted below) that looks like it's from the same series - and after all, he was killed in 1881. I wonder if the Goff photo is earlier or did Thunder Hawk, like Grass, grow out his hair later?  |
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Post by grahamew on Aug 26, 2007 11:31:24 GMT -6
There's a photo of the actual 1888 delegation on p 68 of the Donvin Sprague book about Standing Rock with Thunder Hawk, Grass, a rather portly Gall, Bear's Rib and others. My scanner's shot or I would've scanned it and posted it. Perhaps somene else could.
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Your English is fine. I have had Dietmar translate American English for me -- remember that one, Dietmar? -- so please do not apologize for language difficulties.