Great Sioux Nation

[eamonn]

Out of interest has anyone ever heard that the Sioux Nation is now divided into 4 seperate divisions; Lakota, Nakota Dakota & Ekota. Further I have always understood that the Teton division of the Lakota where sub - divided into 7 seperate bands; unkpapa, sans arc blackfoot oglala minniconjou two kettle brule. Has anyone ever heard of a band known as the cut - throats who were present during the laramie treaty of 1868

[crzhrs]

I believe the French gave the name Cut Throat to the Dakota . . . so it may not be an individual tribe but the entire nation.

That's not to say some clan or warrior society took the name Cut Throat as a way of identifying what they did to an enemy.

[eamonn]

Thanks for the response but they are specifically designated as a band as where the rest. The french actually called them nadewessioux meaning little snakes or enemies this was obviously shorted to sioux. It was the chippewa who gave them the name cut/slit throats. Thank you for your interest and quick response.

[clw]

Perhaps you're referring to the Heycoksa (Cut Heads) -- a Yankton Dakota band?

Ekota? I don't think so.

The Seven Council Fires of the Teton (Lakota) Sioux are:

Sicangu (burnt thighs) (later called Brule)
Itazipco (without bows)
Sihasapa (black feet)
Mnicoujou (planters by the water)
Oohenumpa (two boilings)
Oglala (scatter at one's self)
Hunkpapa (head of camp circle)

[eamonn]

Hey you again!

Ekota, the name given to the sioux who reside in canada. That was related to me by Floyd Looks for Buffalo Hand a traditionalist at Pine Ridge. He is an elder. Unless he was giving me misinformation.

I do however stand to be corrected about the cutheads, my mistake sorry.

[clw]

It's possible that the Canadian Lakota may be referring to themselves that way, even if they were originally mostly Hunkpapa. Just never heard that before. I'm going by the old structure which is based on language -- L, D and N speakers. E won't fit into that structure. Didn't I just say cultures evolve? Good example.

[shatonska]

i'have always found "Cut Throats " related to the Oglalas , i don't remember exactly which books , in Plenty Coups (Crows called Cut Throats the Oglalas ?) maybe , or other indian related books

[eamonn]

Dear Shatonska

I was incorrect and clw was correct. I checked the treaty papers and they do refer to cut heads not cut throats.

thank you

[shatonska]

eamonn said:

Dear Shatonska

I was incorrect and clw was correct. I checked the treaty papers and they do refer to cut heads not cut throats.

thank you

ok
anyway Oglalas were sometimes called cut throats , while the Cheyenne were known as cut-legs or cut-arms

[harpskiddie]

shatonska:

The Cheyenne were also known as the cut finger people, since they often took fingers as trophies, making charms, medicine and even jewelry from them.

Gordie

[eamonn]

Gordie

Thanks for that. I am glad that they didnt feel the necessity to inflict those sorts of injuries on me when I stayed with them in Lame Deer Res.

Cheers

[Dietmar]

I don´t know if this text helps... maybe he is even more confusing with all the different band names but I found it interesting anyway:

omahatribe.unl.edu/etexts/oma.0004/oma.0004.ch-2.html

To add just another name: I think the Stoneys/Assiniboines in Canada call themselves Nakoda.

[eamonn]

No confusion here, when Gordie mentioned Cheyenne I just indicated that I stayed with them. I have already accepted that I was incorrect when I referred to the band as cut throats (as outlined in treaty papers) they were infact cut heads.

[tokaouspa]

Cut throats! In sign language, that is the sign used to designate any of the D-, N-, Lakota peoples. It is the sign of the people -- a hand drawn across the neck. We were also known as "beheaders." We used to do that many years ago and thus got the sign.

The sign for Cheyenne is round across the solar plexisus (sp), and the big bellies were round across the belly. I forget the signs of the other upper plains at the moment.

[ladonna]

The Cuthead people come from a leader named Red Thunder who was Sisseton, he went out east and fought under Tecumseh. He returned to his people and there a a disput over him working with the whites, in the battle they cut him in the head. He was mad took his people and moived to the Jamestown Valley with the Ihuntonwan. After that point he was referred to as a Ihunktonwan or Yanktonasi chief. They people end up being relocated to the Porcupine/Shields area of Standing Rock, Fort Totten/Spirit Lake and Fort Peck.

I believe that there are
The Lakota-Seven bands
The Dakota-Four bands
The Nakota-Yankton
The DaNakota-Yanktonais

My reason for this is the Yanktonais do not speak "N" they speak a DaNakota language and a separate people from the Yankton.