Long Chin

[gary]

Does anyone know if Long Chin, the half-brother of the Brule chief Brave Bear (who died of wounds received in the Grattan fight), was the same Long Chin who was a noted Cheyenne warrior? Grinell and Hyde seem to differentiate between the Lakota Long Chin and the Cheyenne of that name, but it occurred to me that they might be one and the same person. Can anyone throw any light on this query?

Gary

[grahamew]

There was an 84 year-old Long Chin in the Darlington Cheyenne census in 1887. Wouldn't this make a little old to be the Sioux? Of course, this depends on it being the same Long Chin!
In Life of George Bent, he makes reference to the Dog Soldiers and Spotted Tail's Brules trading with Little Gerry in 1863, noting that Long Chin was a leader of the Dog Soldiers and there's a footnoted reference to the fact that Gerry married one of (the Cheyenne) Long Chin's Sioux nieces... He was also an uncle of Bent.

[Dietmar]

There is much said about the Cheyenne Long Chin in Powell´s “People of the Sacred Mountain”, but there is no hint that he was related to the Sioux Brave Bear.
But Long Chin (ca 1800-ca.1889) was a half-brother to Tall Bull. Both were the leaders of the Dog Soldiers in the 1850s and 1860s. The mother of the two headmen was indeed a Lakota woman. Long Chin was a council chief in 1854. In 1863, when he was already 63, he still lead the Dog Men.
All in all, it seems to me that the Brule Long Chin and the Cheyenne were two different persons.

Dietmar

[lmiller202]

If George Bent was a nephew of Long Chin, then George’s mother was a Cheyenne & sister of Long Chin and if Elbridge Gerry married a niece (Gerry married three sisters-daughters of Brule Swift Bird) of Long Chin, then both Long Chin’s are the same person-did Hyde also get them mixed up?