Son of Identification of Indians

[Dietmar]

Great information Kingsley,
your knowledge is outstanding.

I know, you all know these pictures from SIRIS, but they allow a quick look at Living Bear and White Tail:


White Tail is standing in the back row second from right


Living Bear/Liver Bear kneels on the left (not right as written on the photo)

By the way, is there any information about Bear Skin and Red Fox? These are names hardly mentioned in history books.

Thanks
Dietmar

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[kingsleybray]

Thanks, Dietmar, for posting these two classic images from NAA. Red Fox is twice listed as one of the leaders of the Oglala Oyuhpe band: first in an 1865 document naming headmen to be contacted by peace intermediaries. The other named Oyuhpes were Standing Bear, Single Crow, and Black Fox (identified as the brother-in-law of trader Joseph Bissonette - he was also the father of Kicking Bear). Possibly these men were wakicunze in 1865? In 1867 Indian Affairs Supt. H. Denman, with the help of trader G. P. Beauvais, prepared a list of Lakota bands and chiefs involved in the hostilities on the Bozeman Trail. For the Oyuhpes he again listed four leaders - Flying Feather [aka White Plume?], Red Dog, Red Fox, and Shaker. In 1870 we again have in the picture above Red Fox, dressed as a shirt wearer, with Red Dog on the first Oglala delegation to Washington. I can't trace a clear referenced to Red Fox after 1870 - perhaps he died, perhaps he went under another name. Maybe Ephriam can help on this?

Bear Skin - or fully Bearskin Robe (Mato-ha Shina) - was one of the Oglala signatories to the 1868 treaty. He is listed near the end of the document, which may mean he was one of the headmen who signed at the Upper Platte Agency (North Platte, Nebraska) about the 1st of June. He was rated a head soldier in 1875. He may be another of Joe Bissonette's in-laws - more information welcome!

Kingsley Bray

[grahamew]

Following on from the discussion above, here is another of the Trager photos taken around the time of Wounded Knee; this time it is of a 'Grand Council' between hostile and friendly chiefs. It's one of a series, but this one claims to show Kicking Bear speaking. Doesn't the man in the centre look like the man next to Rocky Bear in the two photos on page 1 of this thread? Okay, so he's far away, but the caped coat and hair length seem the same. Isn't Kicking Bear, is it?

[grahamew]

While I remember, I'm reading "Hostiles? The Lakota Ghost Dance and Buffalo Bill's Wild West" by Sam Maddra (UOP) and I can thoroughly recommend it. Two key points are the way she has used Short Bull's accounts and the way she looks at the Indians' experiences with the Wild West Show, which includes careful scrutiny of the European press at the time.

[Dietmar]

I see it too, Grahame, but it is impossible to proof it at this distance...

It isn´t surprising if Trager once again neglected the true identity of an photographed person to sell more photos with a spectacular name as Kicking Bear.