Son of Identification of Indians

[grahamew]

Can anyone cast some light on the individuals in this photo (by Hamilton)

[ephriam]

Graham:

This photograph is one of a series of images produced by James H. Hamilton in September 1872, showing members of two delegations that had arrived in Sioux City, Iowa, enroute to Washington D.C. to meet with the president. One delegation was from the Grand River Agency [later known as Standing Rock Agency] and the other from the Milk River Agency.

If you compare this image to Gardner's 1872 delegate portraits, they can be identified from left to right: Walking Crane, Good Hawk and Bull Rushes, all three from the Milk River Agency.

ephriam

[grahamew]

Thanks, Ephriam. I had hoped it was one of his later pictures... Never mind.

I wonder if anyone can identify the Indians in the following two photos. I've seen them in several books, frequently with some of the men obviously incorrectly identified - I mean, I recognise Crow Dog and Two Strike, for example, but I don't see Young Man Afraid, and having read Jensen's book I'm well aware of the need photographers felt (on occasion) to mis-identify their subject for commercial purposes..






Thanks.

[crzhrs]

ephriam:

Are you the one who had a article in the GREASY GRASS about He Dog and his bands at the LBH?

If so, it was an excellent article . . . well done.

If not . . . you still provide great info regarding Native Americans

[ephriam]

Yes, that was my article. Thank you for the compliment! I am working on similar write-ups for the other bands present. I think we are only just coming to realize that census and other records from the agencies can provide a surprisingly detailed look at the people present in the Indian village that day.

[Dietmar]

Grahame,
the only Sioux individuals I can identify precisely in your photos of 1891 are Two Strikes, Crow Dog, Rocky Bear and High Hawk.
I am not sure about the other names listed on the photo (Two Lance, Thunder Hawk, Good Voice, Short Bull, Kicking Bear), but there definitely is no Young-Man-Afraid or American Horse pictured.

I have found three other photos of the 1872 delegation made by Hamilton on the internet, interested?

Best Regards
Dietmar

[grahamew]

Yes please!

I've always thought American Horse was the man crouching next to the seated white man (different white man in each photo), but I can't see the others you mentioned and it is very easy to spot Kicking Bear and Short Bull in that photo of the captive Ghost Dancers when they are considerably futher away from the camera.

[crzhrs]

ephriam:

Well done! Will you eventually be able to come up with a total number (or close to the number) of Indians at the LBH? Do you have any estimates right now on the numbers? Or how about an educated guess.

Thanks

[Dietmar]

Grahame,
the photo in Jensen´s book, which is only slightly different than the two pics you posted, shows this inscription:

Indian Chiefs and U.S. Officials:
1. Two Strike
2. Crow Dog
3. Short Bull
4. High Hawk
5. Two Lance
6. Kicking Bear
7. Good Voice
8. Thunder Hawk
9. Rocky Bear
10. Young Man Afraid of his Horses
11. American Horse
12. W.F. Cody, Buffalo Bill
13. Maj. J.M. Burke
14. J.C. Craiger
15. J. McDonald
16. J.G. Worth
Taken at Pine Ridge Jan. 16. ´91. Photo and copyright by Grabill 1891, Deadwood S.D.

Rocky Bear, Oglala, is standing in the back row, first indian from left (with hat)
Two Strike, Brule, is standing fourth indian from left
W.F. Cody is standing next to Two Strike
Crow Dog, Brule, is standing right to Cody
High Hawk, Brule, is standing next/right to Crow Dog
Maj. Burke is standing/sitting far right

Although I have photos of Short Bull, Kicking Bear, Good Voice, Young Man Afraid, American Horse as reference, I can´t find them in the photos. Maybe Two Lance or Thunder Hawk (both Brule?) are?


Here are the 1872 Hamilton photos:


Thunder Hawk (Hunkpapa)




Many Horns, Long Fox, Black Eye (Cut Head)





wife of Packs-the Eagle, Packs-the-Eagle, Bear´s Nose (Cut Head)




Could the photo with Julius Meyer, Gassy, etc. posted in another thread also be a Hamilton photo?

Dietmar

[grahamew]

Yeah, I have that book and suspect the inclusion of some of those names was a money-making ploy. The Indians you can identify are those that I can too (with the exception of the one I think is American Horse - compare him with the picture of AH on p77 of Jensen). I also wonder if Cody's standing on a box!

[grahamew]

Thanks, Dietmar.




Here's another photo of some of those chiefs. Again, despite the caption, there's no Kicking Bear. Below are two more photos of chiefs taken at this time, clearly togged up in more traditional costume for the camera; one of them seems to show the leaders re-enacting some kind of formal ceremony.

[Dietmar]

Grahame,
I see Two Strike (far right) and High Hawk (second from right) in the first photo.

The two other photos are from the Grabill collection, but this time the inscription is more accurate. All indian names seem to be correct:
"Indian chiefs who counciled with Gen. Miles and settled the indian war. Photo and copyright by Grabill ´91"

the last of the three photos shows:
back row standing from left to right:
Standing Bull, Has The Big, Liver Bear, Bull Dog, Lance
front row sitting:
Bear-Who-Looks-Back-Running, White Tail, Little Thunder, High Hawk, Eagle Pipe

I think they are all Brule Sioux or at least from Rosebud/Spotted Tail agency.

The same individuals are in the second photo, High Hawk is standing in the middle.

Dietmar

P.S.: I am wondering if this could be the Bull Dog who lead the Brule Sioux in Canada?

[grahamew]

The middle of the three pictures I posted seems to have the man you identified as Lance as Lame. Trouble is, after seeing the misidentification of individuals in the first photo, what do you believe unless you've got an independent photo to go from or you are reasonably familiar with an individual's looks (i.e. Kicking Bear) so you know the identification is incorrect (or correct!)?

Here's another picture of three leaders from that time:



On the basis of this, I still don't know which one is meant to be High Hawk on the original two photos.

[Dietmar]

I know what you mean, you can never be sure...

But in this case it is helpful to take a look at the John A. Anderson photographs (in Henry W. Hamilton´s "The Sioux of the Rosebud", University of Oklahoma Press).
There you can find portraits and one group photograph of Lance, Little Thunder, High Hawk, Eagle Pipe and Bear-Who-Looks-Back-Running (or Bear Looks Behind). I also have other photos of Liver Bear (or Living Bear, wasn´t he the father of Plenty Horses, who killed Lt. Casey?) and White Tail.
So these names should be right in the Grabill photo, possibly the other names are also, but of these I have no proof.

I have been wondering about the High Hawk in your last photo a lot. He is definetly not the same man as in the Grabill photos. On the cover of Leonard Crow Dog´s book ("Crow Dog - four generations of Sioux medicine men") he is instead named Iron Shell, but I don´t think he looks like the Iron Shell in the Gardner photos of 1872.

Dietmar

[kingsleybray]

Just a few disjointed notes on individuals in the 1891Ghost Dance period photos.

Bear Looks Behind (=Bear Looks Back Running?) was Miniconjou, brother-in-law to Swift Bear, chief of Brule Corn-Owners band, lived at Rosebud.

White Tail - Wazhazha band chief, first noted in documentary record 1864.

Owns the Big White Horse - cousin to the Red Leaf family, Wazhazha band.

Liver Bear, i.e. Living Bear - said to be cousin of Two Strike, and father to Plenty Horses (killer of Lt. Casey). He lived in the Two Strike camp southwest of Rosebud Agency. He is visibly the same man as the Living Bear photographed with Red Dog and other Oglalas (Washington, 1870?), an NAA photo that I'm sure Ephriam posted a while ago. He is listed in Col. Smith's report on the 1870 Ogla delegation (Olson mistranscribed the name as "Swing Bear").

Bull Dog should indeed be the Wazhazha leader who was in Canada 1878-80.

Kingsley Bray