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Post by Don Blake on Feb 15, 2005 14:47:11 GMT -6
Okay: a new Crazy Horse image thread. How many different pictographic images are there? I know of those by Amos Bad Heart Bull and Kills Two, but are there any more? I did come across a potential one in the late Colin Taylor's book, Native American Weapons. (See images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0806133465.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) Unfortunately, I've lost my copy and can't remember the circumstances, but I think it was a drawing by Little Big Man. |
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Post by Ephriam Dickson on Feb 16, 2005 22:31:41 GMT -6
Don:
The pictograph you are referring to in Taylor's book (p. 114) was drawn by Little Big Man, however, I do not know where he got this example. The photo credit in his book simply credits himself.
However, this pictograph is nearly identical to one he drew that is preserved in the Mallery collection at the Smithsonian (Manuscript 372 Box 11) and the individual that Taylor suggests could be Crazy Horse is clearly marked on this drawing as Little Big Man. So this one is NOT a Crazy Horse pictograph.
Ephriam
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Post by Don Blake on Feb 17, 2005 2:34:59 GMT -6
Thanks for that. There is, of course, the Kicking Bear drawing, though I realise that there is a question over which figure was originally meant to be Crazy Horse.
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Post by Rod Thomas on Mar 3, 2005 23:20:09 GMT -6
Don, Ephriam...reference Little Big Man pictograph. Are you talking about the one he drew of himself at the Little Big Horn fight? I only know of that drawing and a tipi liner allegedly done by him in Ohio. If not would like reference for this one or is that the manuscript citation you give?
Thanks, Rod Thomas...
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Post by Don Blake on Mar 6, 2005 5:45:43 GMT -6
There is another possible pictograph of Crazy Horse - by Standing Bear. This despicts sevearl notable Lakota leaders, most of whom are sitting as if in council. In the centre is a mounted Sitting Bull (the only mounted figure), and at top left (of the section I've seen) is a standing figure, said to be Crazy Horse, stripped to breechclout carrying a knifeclub.
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Post by Don Blake on Mar 6, 2005 5:52:23 GMT -6
There is another possible pictograph of Crazy Horse. Stranding Bear produced "portraits" of several Lakota leaders, most of whom are sitting in formal dress (light shirts, dark leggings and blankets). In the centre, is the mounted figure of Siting Bull (the only mounted figure); the figure said to be Crazy Horse is standing in profile, stripped to a breechclout carrying a knifeclub.
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Post by Don Blake on Mar 6, 2005 5:54:48 GMT -6
Can't this thread be moved into the Northern Plains Indian section?
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Post by Diane Merkel on Mar 6, 2005 10:05:19 GMT -6
I can move it if you like, Don. Just let me know.
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Post by Don Blake on Mar 6, 2005 13:04:02 GMT -6
Please.
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Post by Rod Thomas on Mar 6, 2005 14:26:17 GMT -6
Don, thanks...will check out the Crazy Horse images but really would like to know about the Little Big Man images. I only know of two and you and Ephriam have been discussing what sounds like a third.
Thanks and have a great day...
Regards, Rod Thomas...
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Post by shan on Mar 7, 2005 11:00:54 GMT -6
Don, I am very interested in the paintings you talk about by Standing Bear, can you tell me where I can see it? Shan
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Post by Ephriam D Dickson III on Mar 7, 2005 18:22:35 GMT -6
The Little Big Man pictographs that I am referring to are four pages depicting a fight he had with Crow Indians. They are undated. They were sent byWillard Johnson to Garrick Mallory in april 1885. Mallory as you may recall was very interested in wintercounts and other North American pictographs. Johnson said that he obtained them from an Army officer. Capt. John G. Bourke did get a shirt, supposedly worn by Crazy Horse (doubtful), from Little Big Man while attending the sundance at Pine Ridge in 1881. Bourke could have been the officer Johnson referred to, or perhaps another, we do not know.
The original drawings are preserved in the Mallory collection at the Smithsonian, as Manuscript 2372 in Box 11.
I am not familiar with either of the other two Little Big Man pieces that you are referring to. Can you provide details?
Ephriam
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Post by Don Blake on Mar 8, 2005 5:18:33 GMT -6
Ephriam, why do you think the attribution of the shirt to Crazy Horse is doubtful?
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Post by shatonska on Mar 8, 2005 8:33:55 GMT -6
Ephriam, why do you think the attribution of the shirt to Crazy Horse is doubtful? i think he ment that it is doubtfull that to be the shirt of crazy horse , not the fact that he was a shirt whearer ! |
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Post by Don Blake on Mar 8, 2005 11:46:16 GMT -6
The Standing Bear picture appeared in the Daily Graphic, New York, Saturday Sept 29, 1877. The copy I've seen is used to illustrate a transcript of a talk by John C. Ewers, 'Military Art of the Plains Indians', in The People of the Buffalo Vol 1; The Plains Indians of North America: Military Art, Warfare and Change - Essays in Honor of John C. Ewers; co-ordinated and edited by Colin F. Taylor and Hugh A. Dempsey (Tatanka Press; Wyk auf Foehr, Germany, 2003). The volume was distributed in the United Kingdom by Westerners' Publications Ltd., in association with the English Westerners' Society.
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