Crazy Horse Genealogy

[csb]

Nuts!!! The Larabees were Choctaw.

[Dietmar]

As always, Richard Hardorff´s book "The death of Crazy Horse" gives a lot of information:
"Helen "Nellie" Laravie. Born along the South Platte about 1860 she was one of four daughters of Joseph Laravie, a french trader, and a southern Cheyenne woman. Among her mother´s people, Helen Laravie was known as Chi-Chi. In 1878 she settled among the Wajaje band of Lip near Eagle Nest Butte on Pine Ridge and was known among the Lakotas as Ista Gli Win `Brown Eyes Woman´."

[crzhrs]

I believe Crazy Horse was not looking for a wife once he was on the reservation. Some of his friends thought it would be better for him if he took a wife and stopped thinking about what he could do to help his people. CH reluctantly accepted Nellie as a wife.

[Agnes]

Dear Everyone!

I saw her picture in the book "The Death of Crazy Horse" and for me that picture not shows Helen Laravie but rather a Winnebago or Omaha woman. Her costume more likely made in the Prairie fashion.

Sincerely:
Agnes

[Ephriam Dickson]

Agnes:

You are correct. The photograph that has been published as Nellie Laravie is incorrectly attributed. In fact, it was taken earlier, possibly by photographer James H. Hamilton, who produced images among the Winnebago, Omaha and others around 1870-72.

Ephriam

[Agnes]

Dear Ephriam!

Thanks for the info!
I think Hardorff not too accurate in the identification of the photographs. He labeled Slow Bull as He Dog and I think some photos not made in Washington 1877, such as the portrait of American Horse also.

But there's a question, if the author made such mistake how reliable the book he wrote? I like it because there's also capsule biographies about some persons. For example he mentioned Yellow Bear as Oyuhpe Oglala, but I found his name on Colhoff list as the leader of the Tapisleca (Spleen band). Perhaps he was really an Oyuhpe and later became Tapisleca.

Sincerely:
Agnes

[Dan]

Is there any info on the living decendants of Crazy Horse???

[markland]

Agnes, in speaking with some authors regarding mis-labeled photos, it oftimes is as much the editor's fault as it is the author's and by the time the author discovers it, it is much too late.

Billy

[Ephriam Dickson]

Agnes:

I think Hardorff's work is generally reliable. My only complaint is that he usually does not cite where the information in his footnotes came from. This makes it difficult to go back and verify.

I agree that editors sometimes make mistakes about photographs; but I also find that many authors do as well. It takes extra research to verify a photograph's identification and sometimes it is easier to just trust what was originally written. In the case of the Short Bull photograph mislabeled as He Dog, that is not Hardorff's fault. The original photograph he used (taken by D. S. Mitchell in 1877) was pasted inside the Bourke diaries -- Bourke is the one who mislabeled it as He Dog. Hardorff did not catch that it had been mislabeled and used Bourke's identification.

Ephriam

[agnes]

Dear Markland and Ephriam!

Thanks the informations!

Sincerely:
Agnes

[shatonska]

carldupree

Hump is the Hump leader of a minneconjou band at the little big horn fight ?

High back bone was related to this family ?

in Hyde red could's folk there is a Crazy horse listed among Oglalas in the early 800 , Crazy Horses uncles were chief in the oyukpe oglala , maybe their origin is saone but they were oglala

[shawn]

Has anyone seen "dream keeper?" the gansters in the movie make reference to a "Two Bulls." Ive worked with a Two Bulls, and she claimed to be a direct descendant of Crazy Horse. This was in 1988.

Shawn

[silverwolf]

I am new to lbha, so bear with me if I don't understand this system. I am looking for information on Little Hawk, the half brother of Crazy Horse. I understand he died young, before the battle of Little BigHorn. I would love to know more about him (Little Hawk), how and where he died, whether he was married, and if there are any photographs of him. Any details of his relationship with Crazy Horse would also be appreciated.
Many thanks.
Mitakuye O'Yasin

[Diane Merkel]

Welcome to our boards!

If you will look down the list of the Northern Plains Indians board (this one), you will see a thread called Chief Little Hawk Photo and Information. I believe he is the man you are looking for.

Diane

[grahamew]

The Little Hawk in the other thread is CH's uncle.