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Curley
Mar 30, 2005 7:50:36 GMT -6
Post by mooned in the face on Mar 30, 2005 7:50:36 GMT -6
I'm not sure that this goes here, or on the Native American threads. Because Curley was both! So here goes anyway.
Did the Cavalry provide the scouts with the same weapons they had? Ie. the trapdoor Spingfield's, 1873 revolvers? And did they also provide them with the same amount of ammunition that they gave the soldiers? Or did the scouts have their own weapons and ammo?
Also I was wondering when the soldiers along with the scouts were/was given more ammo? Was there a set time for re-supply? By this I mean say for example if a soldier or a scout had been hunting and shot say 10 rounds would he be given 10 more to make up the difference, or would that have been done at a certain time?
I put this under Curley because of certain statements he made concerning this, and was just wondering. Thanks in advance.
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Curley
Jan 30, 2008 20:59:02 GMT -6
Post by BrokenSword on Jan 30, 2008 20:59:02 GMT -6
I got this e-mail tonight from a cousin in Texas:
"I was visiting with some friends last night and he was telling me that when he was in NYC he got to know an older man whom we both knew (He's died a few years back). This man was a walking history book. He knew the history of early New York, George Washington's army, etc. He was also the unofficial historian of the modern day Jehovah's Witnesses (1870s forward). Anyway, he told him that when The Watchtower first began publication in the 1870s, Curly was the only subscriber in Montana.
I do not know anything further. I don't know how he came to subscribe, or if he even believed what he was reading. I just thought it was an interesting story and of course I thought of you."
What I was wondering was: Could Curly read or even write? (in English, I assume) Every tale Curly told seemed to be thru an interpreter, or so I thought.
I get into the strangest stuff with this Custer business.
M
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Curley
Jan 30, 2008 21:28:34 GMT -6
Post by harpskiddie on Jan 30, 2008 21:28:34 GMT -6
mooned:
The NDN scouts were enlisted privates [or whatever], usually for six months at a time, although some enlistments were for only three months [some could have been less, I suppose] and they "signed" regular enlistment papers, modified as to the term. They were furnished arms and ammunition [most of the scouts on the 1876 Dakota column carried infantry rifles], and probably revolvers as well, although I'm not sure of this latter. They were paid the same as enlisted men, with extra for providing their own horses, and drew the same rations . Some of them carried their own personal firearms, such as Winchesters etc., in which case they would have been required to provide their own ammunition.
M:
I don't think Curley could either read or speak English. His last statements were in the Crow language, and I have never seen anything which would lead me to believe that he was competent in English. That's an interesting tidbit about the Watchtower. I wonder if it is true. It might have been somebody's idea of a big joke on either party, or both.
Can't you just see the guys at the Watchtower thinking of the soul they've saved [maybe, there's only room for 6,000 or whatever] out in heathen Montana; and Curley in his little cabin, sitting in his rocker, puffing on his pipe, and holding the latest copy in his lap, wondering what the hell it was. Over in the corner is a messy mountain of back issues of Watchtower, Deseret News and the Christian Science Monitor, each awaiting its turn to sacrifice itself as starter in the fireplace [makes you want to drag out the Hyplars and start painting, don't it!!]
Gordie MC
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Curley
Jan 30, 2008 21:46:32 GMT -6
Post by BrokenSword on Jan 30, 2008 21:46:32 GMT -6
Gordie- "...[makes you want to drag out the Hyplars and start painting, don't it!!]..."
It do.
Then again, maybe he liked the pictures. Did they even have pictures in the 'Watch Tower' then? So many Earth shattering research discoveries to make now . Where did the 7th get eggs, was Lulie actually Libbie's distant cousin, did Tom resolve the ruffles or lace issue and was Curly's 'Watch Tower' illustrated.
Well Sir, nothing to do now but put a pot of coffee on and get right to work on it all! Lord, why didn't I start out to do a painting of ... oh...say a cow? Yeah, a nice simple black and white cow standing under a tree.
M
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Curley
Jan 30, 2008 22:49:29 GMT -6
Post by Diane Merkel on Jan 30, 2008 22:49:29 GMT -6
And then you'd be on some bovine message board, discussing the best type of tree to shade a spotted cow and the many mysterious meanings of each spot.
I'm glad you came here instead!
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Curley
Jan 31, 2008 0:59:54 GMT -6
Post by harpskiddie on Jan 31, 2008 0:59:54 GMT -6
Amen to that, Sister, or I wouldn't be able to sign myself...
Gordie MC
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Curley
Jan 31, 2008 7:57:32 GMT -6
Post by BrokenSword on Jan 31, 2008 7:57:32 GMT -6
Diane and Gordie MC- Thank you both.
Diane, you're probably right about the bovine message board. Imagine the controversies over things like ... the flowers surrounding the cow.
Why were certain flowers shown here and not there? Shouldn't they be found in groups? Following the 'plops' down slope to the river, it makes no sense that they are not clustered together more. Did someone seed the flowers, or was it natural dispersal? Was someone trying to establish beds, or did the wind take a hand in it all? But, this flower's seeds are too heavy for the wind to have carried that far.
These red flowers are not found where that breed of cow is raised. But, the other red flowers are, and the other red flowers don't bloom at that time of the summer, although the other red flowers do. Just not at that time of day. Why is that single yellow flower over there? Mind numbing questions.
Back to Curly. I returned an email stating that to my knowledge, Curly had no abilities (or very, very limited ones) with the English language.
The response waiting for me this morning was, ..."perhaps Curly's cousin signed him up for a subscription." HUH? The original 'source' is being contacted for any more info available about that.
In the meantime, I've wondered why anyone has to subscribe to begin with. That publication routinely arrives at my door - hand delivered. Requested or not - it gets here.
M
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Curley
Jan 31, 2008 11:43:52 GMT -6
Post by harpskiddie on Jan 31, 2008 11:43:52 GMT -6
Michael:
Amen to that, too!! However, allow me to point out that Curley's door was approximately a mile or so from his neighbor's, which in turn......There weren't many doors in that part of the country in them thar days. Nor street corners neither.
Did the red flowers don the blue flowers petals when they blew off [and scare the bejeezuz out of the younger red flowers]? And please, when you come to paint your masterpiece , please be more specific as to which slope and which river, depression, hill, rise, ridge, coulee and etc etc etc.....
Maybe we need a Glossary of terms.
Gordie MC
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Curley
Jan 31, 2008 13:55:03 GMT -6
Post by BrokenSword on Jan 31, 2008 13:55:03 GMT -6
Gordie-
Never-the-less... If in fact, Curly knew and spoke English, but kept it a secret, perhaps HE told Libbie the truth about what had happened. Maybe she bribed him to keep silent (free subscription to the Watchtower?), or even maybe Reno and Benteen threatened him to hold his tongue before he told anyone the story (might die mysteriously while drawing water from a well?). Opens up all kinds of possibilities for the conspiracy folks. Curly kept changing his story to throw everyone off his trail? His subscription may just be the smoking gun we've been looking for. I wonder.
OH, and by the way - The remark to me about 'Curly's cousin' was a jest that went right by me. I/we have another cousin that's a JW and sends us all the literature. Its free and has neat pictures.
M American Dense (as some in Spain would say)
P.S. I actually did consider the relative remoteness of Curly's abode, but since when has that stopped someone on a mission? AD
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Curley
Feb 5, 2008 10:36:43 GMT -6
Post by conz on Feb 5, 2008 10:36:43 GMT -6
I recently read that Curly carried his own Winchester, and if true, he would provide his own ammunition as well. I don't recall him carrying a revolver.
By "own," I mean that they were probably provided to him at the Crow Agency by the government agent there.
The U.S. Cavalry, itself, didn't equip these guys that I've ever seen. I don't even think any of their equipage came from the Army, even when the Army oversaw the reservations. I think it all came from the Indian bureau, but I could be wrong here...I'll try to find references...
Clair
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Curley
Apr 29, 2008 14:50:36 GMT -6
Post by Scout on Apr 29, 2008 14:50:36 GMT -6
That's an excellent question. The Indian scouts probably had their own weapons but I can't see the army not furnishing weapons to those who needed one. Photos of a number of them show most had Winchesters...can't blame them but then again I don't know for sure.
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Curley
Jun 19, 2008 13:28:44 GMT -6
Post by Diane Merkel on Jun 19, 2008 13:28:44 GMT -6
I just spotted the photo below, which I'm sure is familiar to everyone, and am wondering if you agree with the caption. ca. 1870s, Montana Territory —- A rare print made in the early 1870’s in Montana territory, showing General George A. Custer and some of his scouts when the General was in command of troops detailed to guard surveying and building crews constructing the Northern Pacific. The Indian standing by the [tent] door is thought to be Curly, recorded as the only survivor of the Battle of the Little Bighorn where Custer’s entire command was wiped out by the allied Indian tribes under Sitting Bull on June 26, 1876. It is interesting to note, also, that the tent bears the stamp of “N.P.R.R.,” undoubtedly part of the equipment furnished Custer by the railroad. Source: indigen.tumblr.com/post/38797836/ca-1870s-montana-territory-a-rare-print-made
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Curley
Jun 19, 2008 14:00:44 GMT -6
Post by BrokenSword on Jun 19, 2008 14:00:44 GMT -6
Is there a prize for finding the most number of errors?
I think the railroad's initials are correct. Beyond that, Curley being the only survivor of the Battle of the Little Bighorn must have come as a great shock to Reno, Benteen and the others of their commands. Probably as great a surprise as the 'Indian at the door' finding out that his name was Curley too.
Does the June 26 date screw up anyone's timeline theories? All together now, raise your hands.
M
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Curley
Jun 19, 2008 15:38:45 GMT -6
Post by crzhrs on Jun 19, 2008 15:38:45 GMT -6
I don't believe it's Curly. At the time of the LBH wasn't Curly about 16? If this was taken a few years earlier he would be just entering his teens.
I do believe that's Bloody Knife to Custer left pointing at the Map.
PS: The White man standing on the left is also pictured on the Astonisher site as Herendeen! I don't believe the Astonisher site is correct with that.
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Curley
Jun 19, 2008 15:55:58 GMT -6
Post by Scout on Jun 19, 2008 15:55:58 GMT -6
It's Goose. The man standing is Burkman, albeit a very young Burkman. First of all, it looks like Burkman, and secondly it makes complete sense. The Astonisher site, while interesting, is for children. And yes, Bloody Knife is pointing in the picture. Now, can anyone identify the dogs?
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