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Post by Jim on May 11, 2006 16:47:36 GMT -6
Billy,
Then I tell you what, Let's invest on some Life Insurance policies before Fred & GAC dive in the Missouri. I have this great substance that when it hits water, in their snorkels, it turns to concrete!!! Remember, I'll be in the lawn chair next to you, In a full wetsuit, JUST to give them some confidence!?!?!?
It's ALMOST better than being across the street from the LBH at the Crow Casino!!!
AND even though I saw my mistake with your inclusion, I guess I've found a partner, EH, BUDDY!?!?!?
Jim
P.S. Scout -- You're still getting the CREDIT!?!?
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Post by q on May 11, 2006 17:12:18 GMT -6
GAC - No GAC i'm not going to tell you what my friend does, because it would violate the trust he has placed in me. All I will say is if someone put you in a wet suit and told you to dive deep in murky water where you couldn't see your hand before your face. And you didn't know what was down there each and every time because of shifting currents. You can't tell me you wouldn't be afraid. Trained, yes, afraid ~ yes! Now get over it, lighten up and move on to something you do know.
You know I thought that this place didn't discriminate and put a person down for his or her beliefs. That it didn't state or specify what a person should believe. And that it was a place to explore one's thought processes with others. But that isn't true at all is it? If you don't like what someone says. You label it as an attack, and in return attack back. If you don't agree with someone, then you find any reason to call them a liar. Or like Fred, they tell you to get the hell out, and call you a bazillion names to boot. The select few have dictated the beliefs for others. Calling themselves the elite of the elite. Or should we equate this with king of kings, lord of lords? We know it all, you don't so shut up and get out. Hurrah boys and girls, we the great lords of LBHA know exactly what happened. And if anyone.....ANYONE disagrees with them? Well, we all know what happened to CSS now dont we? And what about West? Does he still agree with you? Or is he silent because he's afraid of what you would say to him? Personally, I would rather voice my dissatisfaction than be silent. At least I am honest enough to admit..."I don't know." When I don't know. I can't say the same for the so called "elite" here.
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Post by markland on May 11, 2006 17:18:55 GMT -6
Billy, Then I tell you what, Let's invest on some Life Insurance policies before Fred & GAC dive in the Missouri. I have this great substance that when it hits water, in their snorkels, it turns to concrete!!! Remember, I'll be in the lawn chair next to you, In a full wetsuit, JUST to give them some confidence!?!?!? It's ALMOST better than being across the street from the LBH at the Crow Casino!!! AND even though I saw my mistake with your inclusion, I guess I've found a partner, EH, BUDDY!?!?!? Jim P.S. Scout -- You're still getting the CREDIT!?!? A two-fer post! Jim, ol' buddy, ol' pal! Great (or grated) minds think alike. I was just investigating the possibility of introducing piranhas into the Missouri river basin when I saw yours. However, one problem with your approach, i.e., some may spot a spurious conspiracy...however, with piranhas, GAC, in truth, I think any diver who did research into the water in which he is diving (as any professional would, right?) would experience nervousness about the conditions of a fast-flowing river such as the Missouri or the Roanoke in North Carolina. I think that Q likely exaggerated his friend's opinion and paraphrased thus placing words into his friend's mouth. A former SEAL, therefore a UDT qualified diver? That is professional, insofar as SCUBA and intestinal fortitude are concerned. St. Charles ehh? When I get back from picking up dinner for the kid, I will check the Coast Guard charts out and see if that island still exists. Be good all (and a fun thread despite Q's persistence in being a spoilsport). Billy
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Post by Jim on May 11, 2006 17:45:06 GMT -6
q--
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Billy--
You gonna pay for the flight's of 100,000 or more Pirrahna's imported from the Amazon! (sic - Not the Bookstore). Check out the location. I saw an island on 'Mapquest' that was about 7 miles downstream from St. Charles, Mo., BUT you're closer!
Jim
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Post by George Armstrong Custer on May 11, 2006 17:49:30 GMT -6
You're beginning to get the fundamentals of this, Billy - so, no sitting on a recliner on the bank for you! "I think any diver who did research into the water in which he is diving (as any professional would, right?) would experience nervousness about the conditions of a fast-flowing river such as the Missouri or the Roanoke in North Carolina." Exactly the point I was making to our friend q, Billy: The research would be done, and a dive plan made accordingly by the dive supervisor (I hope you're taking notes, Scout!). On a job with a river in spate this would include the use of a marked shotline, the divers would be lifelined from their harness to individual tenders on the shore/diveboat/platform, and the divers may very well also be paired with buddy lines in the water. A standby diver would be dressed and ready. There'd undoubtedly be some adrenalin pumping - but 'scared witless'? No. Look, if I'd ever been asked to do a job, the prospect of which 'scared me witless' then I would have declined. If a dive supervisor suspected someone was in that condition, they'd be pulled pronto, believe you me - it's not just their own safety they'd be putting at risk. Frankly, though, I reckon old q is taking great glee in all this attention, particularly as I don't for one minute believe that his/her 'scared witless' SEAL friend exists! Several posts into the thread q suddenly happens to remember having a friend who is this flawed diving expert who is on some secret mission on the Missouri (if he/she told us what it was then he/she'd have to kill us). What a happy coincidence for q in the context of the discussion here about doing wreck excavation on the Missouri - wonder why q didn't think to mention it from the outset - before I mentioned my working history............... Anyway, the designated team - supervisor Scout apart - had better start practicing their breathing control, or the compressors will be working overtime! Regards, GAC
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Post by markland on May 11, 2006 19:08:17 GMT -6
"You're beginning to get the fundamentals of this, Billy - so, no sitting on a recliner on the bank for you! "
GAC, you don't understand! I want to progress in my professional life to being a psuedo-State-paid-supervisor! You know, the type that has one person actually working and three or more supervising?
Be good,
Billy
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Post by Diane Merkel on May 11, 2006 19:25:08 GMT -6
Hey, guys, I want to play in the mud, too! q -- I really am sorry. I got your posting as "q" confused with your fake Hawaiian identity -- kaiulani, was it? As the fake Hawaiian, you posted the following where it sure sounds to me that you believe the Monaseetah story -- even though you seem to contradict the story in the first sentence of your second paragraph, or perhaps it's just your twisted syntax again -- so I naturally figured that your "q" identity would have the same opinion as your fake Hawaiian identity. For those who want to see the Monaseetah posting and the wonderful "Shame On You!" posting from the fake Hawaiian q, it is currently on Page 7 of the Custeriana Queries. The Monaseetah bit is on Page 2 of that thread, Reply #21. Notice the twisted syntax and phrases that pass for sentences and compare it to q's writing. So you see, Miss Q, that I didn't lie about you. You lied about yourself. The geneology forums provide alot of information about this subject. One even post's Monaseetah and Yellow Bird (her child) as a descendant online.
From them I have learned that she (Monaseetah) was pregnant at the time, and was taken prisoner when General Custer was on duty in Indian territory. Monaseetah was born abt. 1857 in Texas, and her child was named Yellow Bird. Who was also born in Texas. This child was said to be female and died in 1921. Others say she had a son. So this is difficult to tell by name alone.
The number of people researching this on those geneology forums are of sufficient number so there should be some truth to the story. And by the number of Custer's claiming some kinship to Monaseetah, I think there just has to be some truth to it. Several post's claim that she was the victim of rape. That would have made covering up the truth more important than ever, not only for the Custer's but the indians too.
It seems like these indian ancestry traditions are passed down through the generations. And while not exactly pleasing to most, the story becomes more obscure. Several claim that Monaseetah wasn't, it seems, from the tribe with which she was with at the time. With this accout General Custer it seems bought her, or in other words, she was sold or traded to him. While the implication is simple to white way of thinking, to the indians they believed that this made her his bride. Whether or not Custer realized he was taking a wife and not a slave, or whatever his motive may have been, we may never know. He may have been unaware of the cultural difference. I don't know what his Indian experience was at that time. Whatever became of the relationship, she as we know had a child. And according to all accounts, he rejected the child she bore him. I am sure this went over like a lead balloon . And he most assuredly made more than a few enemies in her family and the tribe. It is interesting I think about why he had no more kids after he denied and rejected his child by his indian wife. Some say that he did this offering his bride as a joke to Tom. I think that's not only wierd but in bad taste. But then again, I have also heard he did play wierd, bad, distasteful jokes on his brother, so this may have been possible. This time the joke was on him, sadly for the child.
I think it interesting too that some of the accounts mention that she was not of the same tribe she was with. This could account for the mixup and perhaps make tracing her lineage more difficult. There are some eastern tribes that had great respect for their women. I find it amazing that he survived this incident, if it was one of those tribes she was with.
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Post by fred on May 11, 2006 20:49:06 GMT -6
GAC - No GAC i'm not going to tell you what my friend does, because it would violate the trust he has placed in me. You know I thought that this place didn't discriminate and put a person down for his or her beliefs. That it didn't state or specify what a person should believe. And that it was a place to explore one's thought processes with others. But that isn't true at all is it? If you don't like what someone says. You label it as an attack, and in return attack back. If you don't agree with someone, then you find any reason to call them a liar. Or like Fred, they tell you to get the hell out, and call you a bazillion names to boot. The select few have dictated the beliefs for others. Calling themselves the elite of the elite. Or should we equate this with king of kings, lord of lords? We know it all, you don't so shut up and get out. Hurrah boys and girls, we the great lords of LBHA know exactly what happened. And if anyone.....ANYONE disagrees with them? Well, we all know what happened to CSS now dont we? And what about West? Break out the penicillin boys, the plague's back! This is becoming laughable. "I thought... this place didn't discriminate." Yeah, well, get over it; this place does discriminate. No one here likes a jerk or a liar & you have proven to be both. Why don't you go back & check out the first post you made on something I wrote? Then tell me who attacked whom. I didn't know you from Adam-- or in this case, Eve-- yet you went after me like I insulted your family heritage. I don't go after anyone unless they strike first. Your attack on me was driven by more than what I had posted, & I resent it. If you have something against me, then come forward, tell me what, show yourself, quit hiding behind a letter. You have a friend who is a former Navy SEAL? Bull! GAC is correct; you are a liar. No former SEAL worth his salt would even associate w/ a personality like you. What? did this diver friend drown? Please, give me a break! Worse than a liar, you are a hypocrite as well. Read what you have written! Then, if you can stand it, look at yourself in the mirror & say you haven't started this whole mess. Go ahead, do it! Hah! It's a waste of time. And do me a favor. Leave CSS & West out of it. They happen to be friends. You're a member, go ahead, send them a personal message, ask them. I think the world of both of them. They ARE friends & 2 good guys. You're just too stupid to see it. Go ahead, ask them... I dare you. Now go play w/ your SEAL friend (incidentally, that's the correct way of writing it). Or better yet, why don't you head for Hawaii & do a little cliff-diving?
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Post by markland on May 12, 2006 5:08:48 GMT -6
Scout, Here's where the Far West lies: 1883, Oct. 30, Mullanthy Island, 7 mi. below St. Charles, Mo., snagged and lost.[/i] Get Fred, GAC, Billy lined up and we'll meet ya down there!?!? ;D Jim [/quote] Jim, first of all thanks for that link to the steamship wrecks, it will be helpful I am sure. With the info Jim supplied, I went to the National Geographic Map Machine and drilled down on St. Louis and then picked up the Missouri river and followed it upstream. St. Charles is at mile marker 32. With the info Jim supplied, I backtracked downstream and found mile marker 25, which is by Bryan Island where the river makes a sharp curve to the south. Interestingly enough, there are two small, unnamed islands to the north of Bryan. There is also a chute to the south of Bryan. Here is the URL for the map I was looking at. When looking at it, click the larger square in the upper right corner where it says Map Size. tinyurl.com/l7holBest of wishes, Billy
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Post by markland on May 12, 2006 5:56:47 GMT -6
Fred and members of the St. Charles pub crawl...errr, research trip, from the below, I think that you guys may be off the hook as far as diving as I suspect Mr. Merkel may be contemplating someone swimming with the fishies Thanks for letting us know about the auction, GAC. I was just teasing my husband about it. Years ago, Larry Frost offered to sell his extensive collection of Indian items to my husband for $3,000. At the time, it might as well have been $3,000,000. I had fun telling my spousal unit some of the prices realized at that auction. I think he's feeling a bit ill right now . . . .
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Post by Diane Merkel on May 12, 2006 10:28:36 GMT -6
;D ;D ;D
OK, Billy, after that little witticism, you have to tell me how to link a post from one board to another. I haven't figured that out yet. I see the "Link to Post" link, but what do you do with it?
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Post by markland on May 12, 2006 11:28:18 GMT -6
;D ;D ;D OK, Billy, after that little witticism, you have to tell me how to link a post from one board to another. I haven't figured that out yet. I see the "Link to Post" link, but what do you do with it? lbha.proboards12.com/index.cgi?board=Indians&action=display&thread=1147365914&page=1#1147401385Darned if I know. Immediately above is what happened when I right-clicked on "Link to Post" and selected Copy Link Location using Firefox. If using IE, it will be Copy Shortcut. I put the quote up there by starting a reply using the quote feature, then cutting and pasting it into this thread. Billy
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Post by fred on May 12, 2006 11:51:17 GMT -6
Hey, anything you want to know about computers, just ask me!! The only thing I don't know is Greek!
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