The First Western

[oglallah]

This is to Noggy, my fellow countryman. Do you know anything about the supposed 'first Western' shot at Blackburn in 1899 called Kidnapped by Indians.

[noggy]

Sept 10, 2023 7:34:33 GMT -6 oglallah said:

This is to Noggy, my fellow countryman. Do you know anything about the supposed 'first Western' shot at Blackburn in 1899 called Kidnapped by Indians.

Wait, what? You're Norwegian too ?

Only know what I can google about that particular movie. I think there are clips of it out there.

Noggy

[oglallah]

Sorry Noggy. I thought you were English. Silly me. I was diagnosed with cancer a year or so ago and underwent the treatment and not been the same since. I am free of the disease though thank God. Yes, I have been commissioned to write an article on the 'first' Western and what were the influences behind it for the Manchester History Review magazine. The guy who supposedly uncovered the movies (there are 2), an art teacher, came out with a load of cock and bull about why it was made in Blackburn. The reason why he mislead people was that he was doing an art project on cotton weavers in Blackburn and wanted to link it in with the Western shot in the town. We back and forwarded GMails in which he admitted he had used some artistic license which I acknowledged was fine. But he also made assertions about why it was Blackburn that were patently untrue and went out there into the public domain so now students and the general public think that weavers from the town went across and fought in the Civil War and brought back tales of Indian warfare. He also made a statement that one of the filmmakers, Kenyon, had met an American in the town when he was a child back in the 1860s, 1862 to be precise, and the American had told him of cowboys and the Wild West. First of all there is no record anywhere of this meeting as all of Kenyon's papers were passed on to a disposal company after his death and were destroyed. Secondly, the only reference to cowboys pre-1860s was the revolutionary war Loyalists in New York I think. Westchester County. And the first cattle drive was in 1866, 4 years after the alleged meeting. I want to set the record straight and was glad to get the commission. Sorry about being a bit long winded but that's the tale so far. I will certainly keep you posted. Incidentally, the one major influence behind the making of the film was our old friend Bill Cody who had toured this part Of England in the early 1890s with his show. The so called 'first' Western was made in 1899. Westerns in the 19th century, in the form of penny dreadfuls and dime novels were very popular in Britain and Europe, especially Norway. Catch you later and will keep you posted if that is ok. And thanks for the Christmas Tree every year!

[Yan Taylor]

There are a few of us British on this board, you would easily mistake Geir as being English as his writing is so good.
Yes it is the first western movie link
They even had outakes link

Glad to hear you are clear

Ian

[noggy]

Sept 11, 2023 6:45:17 GMT -6 oglallah said:

Sorry Noggy. I thought you were English. Silly me. I was diagnosed with cancer a year or so ago and underwent the treatment and not been the same since. I am free of the disease though thank God. Yes, I have been commissioned to write an article on the 'first' Western and what were the influences behind it for the Manchester History Review magazine. The guy who supposedly uncovered the movies (there are 2), an art teacher, came out with a load of cock and bull about why it was made in Blackburn. The reason why he mislead people was that he was doing an art project on cotton weavers in Blackburn and wanted to link it in with the Western shot in the town. We back and forwarded GMails in which he admitted he had used some artistic license which I acknowledged was fine. But he also made assertions about why it was Blackburn that were patently untrue and went out there into the public domain so now students and the general public think that weavers from the town went across and fought in the Civil War and brought back tales of Indian warfare. He also made a statement that one of the filmmakers, Kenyon, had met an American in the town when he was a child back in the 1860s, 1862 to be precise, and the American had told him of cowboys and the Wild West. First of all there is no record anywhere of this meeting as all of Kenyon's papers were passed on to a disposal company after his death and were destroyed. Secondly, the only reference to cowboys pre-1860s was the revolutionary war Loyalists in New York I think. Westchester County. And the first cattle drive was in 1866, 4 years after the alleged meeting. I want to set the record straight and was glad to get the commission. Sorry about being a bit long winded but that's the tale so far. I will certainly keep you posted. Incidentally, the one major influence behind the making of the film was our old friend Bill Cody who had toured this part Of England in the early 1890s with his show. The so called 'first' Western was made in 1899. Westerns in the 19th century, in the form of penny dreadfuls and dime novels were very popular in Britain and Europe, especially Norway. Catch you later and will keep you posted if that is ok. And thanks for the Christmas Tree every year!

I'll take it as a sort of compliment. Hood that you beat the big C, it is an evil thing.

This story is interesting. please let us know how it goes. And yes, you are right when it comes to dime novels about the West and Norway, even if its glory days were a little before my time. One Norwegian author, Kjell Halbing but writing under the alias of Louis Materson, was probably one on the better selling Western authors globally: His books about a gunman/Marshal/renegade/all kinds of things named Morgan Kane have sold over 20mil copies:  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kjell_Hallbing  

Oh, and I remember we sent an awful tree either last Christmas or the one before that. I hope those jerks down in Oslo have stepped up their game.

All the best,
Noggy

[noggy]

Sept 11, 2023 13:50:05 GMT -6 Yan Taylor said:

There are a few of us British on this board, you would easily mistake Geir as being English as his writing is so good.

Yes i is good at the English hello!