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Post by noggy on Apr 24, 2023 2:43:57 GMT -6
I must say, for all my posts are ‘firing into the dark’ I appreciate all who have added to this thread, most enjoyable reading, I’m sure I’ll likely in the near future ‘fire into the dark’ some more, but hopefully hitting a target of interest. However my posts are understood by others, I must repeat they are meant as inquisitive and friendly, in no way confrontational. Hmmmm......."firing into the dark" Now that might be a poor choice of words. While I know exactly what you mean by that statement. I feel it is my duty to remind you that you are still responsible for every bullet you fire into that darkness. Unless you are Alex Baldwin. Then fire away. That was dark.
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Post by logan on Apr 24, 2023 9:27:43 GMT -6
Rosebud
Do I detect a change in your tone in recent posts ?
As this recent one you seem to have lowered me down to a know-nothing who reads story books, but at the same time elevating yourself to a high level because you say you have read source books, then in contradiction say you realise all source books may have a few lies in them !
By definition, the source books you have read may be no better than the ‘story books’ you say I read, as you may just be unwittingly rhyming off the stated ‘lies’ in said books, presenting them as facts, when you can’t be sure which are true and which are false, therefore, negates the suggestion you absolutely know more than I, just on your say so.
Not sure the ‘shouting’ capitals are a necessity either tbh. In my few dealings with you, it almost seems that two different people are posting under your username of ‘rosebud’, as replies I’ve had from you were usually informative and friendly, now just curiously needlessly critical.
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Post by logan on Apr 24, 2023 12:21:33 GMT -6
Nah....your last two posts have given you away....condescending manner and mocking attitude....I’ve got you figured out and you don’t rate very highly compared to others of similar ilk I’ve had dealings with in forums over the last 18 years, they too were wrong in their conclusions, and hid behind such comments grasping for to have the last word.
Whatever game you are playing, you’ll end up playing by yourself.
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Post by logan on Apr 24, 2023 17:33:04 GMT -6
Okay...I’ll bite...though rightly this topic will be locked !
You are argumentative, I get that, but I’m an aggressive debater (apparently) though at what point does a debater have to be passive, defeats the purpose right ?
‘Source books’ ? Okay, let’s look up some lies and present them as facts....’lies’ being your words’ !
I fire into the dark with guesses, but you state facts...that might be lies (your words)
Oh, II’ve definitely ‘located’ the target, much like hunting, I’ve flushed out you from your cover, showing your true colours, which, I suspect, you’ll continue to do by disrupting the forum.
The ‘same problems’ I faced on other forums was egos, which you appear to blatantly demonstrate, it’s not me but your kind, the so called self-proclaimed ‘experts’, no wonder you picked up on that point when reading all my posts. Did you identify yourself in this category perhaps ?
I’m not the problem, I’m seeking the ‘cure’ and you are not it....you are part of the problem !
Many consider Custer a hero, my real (fictional) hero is Columbo, so channelling this wonderful detective, I can only say, he loves opponents like you, full of themselves, but lacking self-awareness that they have faults, albeit only recognised by those who seek them out.
Keep it going rosebud, as Columbo might say - ‘‘the more you talk the more guilty you look ‘
Back to you my (sort of) friend
Good luck
logan
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Post by logan on Apr 24, 2023 18:01:51 GMT -6
Fantastic ! Sources that are not from your own independent thought, you do know, I’m only posting through memory right, the stuff I’ve learned through the years, not needing to relate to sources but what I read and think...yep...no books, my own conclusions. I don’t run away to refer to my LBH books to find info, as they are likely only ‘story books’ anyway, so what’s the point right?
I don’t care what is free or costs money...I believe in my own thinking, it’s done me well so far, even against those considered ‘more informed’ but lately completely silent, let me guess why...oh...of course I was right they were wrong...not by what I said myself but the recently discovered primary sources. If it had been my own thoughts, there’d have been a feeding frenzy, but primary sources are a different matter, hence silence, no objections whatsoever. What an absolute giveaway !
My god, bold red writing ! I must be wrong right ?
I’ve read your post, best bedtime story ever ! My opponents elsewhere used to say ‘bored now’, meaning they had no idea how to respond to my questions.
Are you bored rosebud...or fearful ?
Back to you...again !
You read source books not story books like I did, therefore impressing upon others you know more than most, either being ‘informed’ or a (suggested) self proclaimed expert ? All depends how you wanted the readership to understand your meaning.
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Post by johnson1941 on Apr 28, 2023 6:18:16 GMT -6
Custer sends Knipe back, Custer sends Martin back…Martin says it takes 45min-hour to get to Benteen, Benteen takes about 40mins to get To Reno, the pack train another 30mins.
That’s a loooong time to be waiting and soon under attack, and cut off, by +/-3000 hostiles.
Reno has just had his hat handed to him, has wounded, ammo issues (maybe)…how much more time needed after Benteen joins and is directed/requested by Reno to help him?
Too much time, too many Indians…and way too many examples of bad Custer luck the way things played out all along the time-line.
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Post by Jenny on Apr 28, 2023 16:56:00 GMT -6
Criminy.
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Post by AZ Ranger on May 5, 2023 9:51:42 GMT -6
HR
Terry sets the mission. Custer was to implement it. The mission never changed, but it failed.
Regards
AZ Ranger I am not sure why you think that the mission failed? I agree that in the end the mission succeeded but not by Custer. From the start, the mission was to find the Indians. Teach them a lesson so they will stay on the Reservation. Tes3 columns of soldiers were sent on this mission Crook....Terry......Gibbons Agreed1...Crook engaged the Indians two times...Once at the Powder River and again on the Rosebud Agreed2...Custer engaged the Indians, and they still talk about it today. It made history. It's because five companies were destroyed to the last man, including Custer.3...Gibbons had his chance to engage the Indians but was unable to cross the Yellowstone AgreedThe mission was a total success. Many of the Indians hot footed it back to the Res and Sitting Bull left for Canada....Later to return and surrender. Agreed I should have said Custer failed the mission, and others succeeded.The only problem was that the COST for that success was much higher than expected That cost led to improvements in the extractor, better ammunition, emphasis on marksmanship and horsemanship. I agree that it was costly.
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Post by AZ Ranger on May 5, 2023 10:03:10 GMT -6
This kinda sums up my feelings, apparently by a Private William Taylor, veteran of Little Bighorn - ‘Reno proved incompetent and Benteen showed his indifference - I will not use the uglier words that have often been in my mind. Both failed Custer and he had to fight it out alone’ Is this the same William O Taylor who could not shoot an Indian at close quarters that was closing on him? Did he drop his revolver while grabbing leather to hold on? Did he state he had never ridden that fast nor fired his revolver mounted? I guess the incompetence was in the training in horsemanship and marksmanship. Sgt Ryan gives an account of these soldiers that is not complimentary to their desire to develop the skills they needed to be a soldier. NCOs were responsible for the training, and the company commander should have oversight when Captain French had to threaten to shoot his command if they ran to their horses; that should tell all of us something about battle readiness. Reno met Indians willing to fight, and they were superior to the soldiers. Regards AZ Ranger
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Post by AZ Ranger on May 5, 2023 10:10:47 GMT -6
Hindsight ? That’s what everyone is using discussing the subject today, none of us were present on the day, but it is my belief, with enough consideration of events at the time in history, it is possible to surmise what is thought to be going on with the evidence available to the men present. Is it not something like Occam’s Razor, that events can be interpreted In different ways ? Regarding volley fire heard in Custer’s direction....some hear Custer was giving the warriors hell...others hear Custer must be dismounted firing volleys at an opponent that isn’t of the ACW era marching in lines, but fluid, fast, evasive, hard to predict, surfacing above terrain momentarily to shoot or fire arrows, therefore volley fire is mostly ineffective, used for effect not a guarantee of hitting targets. Reno and Benteen, especially the former, should’ve realised, volley fire will not deter a determined irregular opponent, whose fighting methods were unpredictable, but also defending their own camp and non-combatants from attack. I think we need to understand sound both in volume and hearing. Although firing could be heard, most likely, the level would be at normal conversation level or less. So if someone was paying attention or had nothing to do, they are more likely to hear the sound of gunfire.
If one is concentrating on what to do or engaging in conversation, one may not recognize the sound of gunfire.
Regards
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Post by logan on May 5, 2023 17:57:05 GMT -6
AZ Ranger
I appreciate your responses to my posts, but I’m sure you’ll have noticed my contributions, no matter how well-intentioned, have been negated.
Kinda in the way I warned about in my earlier posts about my wanting to wait for me to be more informed.
There is a ‘rosebud’ type in every forum, FB page and YouTube comments section, I’ve dealt with personally, I remember all their ‘names’.
Regards
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