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Post by sirfrancis on Aug 12, 2022 6:24:28 GMT -6
Hi, I'm curious as to the location of the headstone markers. They are all on the slope of last stand hill. If they made for the high point for the final stand, why are no markers at the top, they're all on the slope. Any thoughts? Cheers
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Post by Diane Merkel on Aug 12, 2022 9:34:54 GMT -6
Welcome, Sir Francis!
I'm traveling at the moment so I can't give you references, but you may wish to search these boards for prior discussions about the placement of the markers.
Basically, most doubt the placements are correct when compared with contemporary accounts. The monument is atop a mass grave so, if there were bodies on top of the hill, the original wooden markers were necessarily moved to allow room for the mass grave, and the current stones mimic those placements. The marker placements are just one of the many mysteries that keep us engaged in his battle 146 years after its end.
Best wishes,
Diane
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Post by Colt45 on Aug 12, 2022 10:51:32 GMT -6
When you first see the monuments on LSH, you immediately realize they didn't fall there, if you have any military background at all. They fell where the monument now stands. They were buried where the markers are because the ground was too tough to dig into and the slope only allowed for a very shallow covering of the bodies. Later, the bodies were moved to the leveled-off hilltop and placed in a mass grave, which the monument now covers.
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Post by sirfrancis on Aug 12, 2022 16:56:53 GMT -6
Ok thanks, that makes more sense. I built a diorama of lsh many years ago and recall looking at artworks etc for ideas, most of them depicted the troops on the slope just like the markers. I've just been studying the battle recently and the locations intrigued. I mean it's not a big hilltop so 100 soldiers and horses at one point would have meant some spillover to the slope and thus fallen troopers on the slope, but a good portion would have been at the top... yes its all very intriguing.
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Post by sirfrancis on Aug 12, 2022 17:04:05 GMT -6
Ps I cant see how to attach an image?
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Post by Yan Taylor on Aug 13, 2022 1:46:33 GMT -6
By that point SF, they would have been surrounded so they would have to form a 360 degree defence, so we must add the east slope too for some degree of defence.
Some of us believe that positions more north and east saw more action then some believe, battle ridge extensions and even around the Indian memorial.
Ian
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Post by sirfrancis on Aug 13, 2022 4:38:00 GMT -6
Yes Ian, that definitely makes sense. The action with Keogh on the east side of Battle Ridge points to native movements to the south east, the description of water flowing around a stone is clear. The description of the time it takes for a hungry man to eat a meal points to a 5min stand. But there are many contradicting accounts from the native American that makes me still wonder how it really went down. One example is that they didn't know it was custer till long after fight. Others that they recognised Tom custer and mutilated him terribly. So very intriguing...
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Post by Yan Taylor on Aug 13, 2022 6:12:10 GMT -6
SF; Look for the orange/red dots on this map and you will see the ammount of Indian fire along BRE,  I think the bloke who cut up TWC, knew him from other encounters and had made a promise to sort him out one day. Ian |
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Post by sirfrancis on Aug 13, 2022 8:55:03 GMT -6
Hey Ian, looks like plenty of research ahead for me...all good.
Im picking up Oz lingo, where r u located? I'm from Wollongong. Francis
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Post by Yan Taylor on Aug 13, 2022 12:51:51 GMT -6
Cheshire England SF  |
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