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Ford D
Nov 7, 2015 18:13:51 GMT -6
Post by Beth on Nov 7, 2015 18:13:51 GMT -6
hum, why do I suspect the artist of the sketch hasn't been west of the Mississippi. Let alone along the Little Big Horn.
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shaw
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Ford D
Nov 7, 2015 19:01:44 GMT -6
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Post by shaw on Nov 7, 2015 19:01:44 GMT -6
To me the most important revelation in Fred's book (among others) was Ford D. Having read enough accounts, I just never figured he had gone that far north. A light went on once I read that section of the book.
There is a great amount of talk about what Keogh's role was. I am willing to bet that if Keogh had somehow survived and was asked, he wouldn't know. I know it's a heck of an assumption. Oh sure, he'd have a general idea, but my guess (and it is a guess) is that Cooke rode over to Keogh and told him to position his battalion where it fell. Whether Custer (or Cooke) ever said it was a defensive position or said it was to link up with Benteen must be in doubt.
Custer's ability to effectively communicate orders, strategy or tactics was mediocre at best. His ability or willingness to explain orders was totally lacking. Custer simply "planted" Keogh's battalion over certain ground. Keogh wasn't going to leave that area unless ordered to.
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Ford D
Nov 7, 2015 19:14:19 GMT -6
Post by Beth on Nov 7, 2015 19:14:19 GMT -6
I totally agree shaw. I think that any reason researchers find now might be of how Keogh reacted to the situation he found himself in--not so much the directions he got from Custer. I guess it is for each battle scholar to decide if Keogh was reacting to events as they happened or did he set up his men in anticipation of whatever events would or could happen.
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Ford D
Nov 7, 2015 19:56:21 GMT -6
Post by herosrest on Nov 7, 2015 19:56:21 GMT -6
hum, why do I suspect the artist of the sketch hasn't been west of the Mississippi. Let alone along the Little Big Horn. DucemusI'll see if I can hunt up a comparison image, the sketch is of the valley. fred has/had a set of these views. It's remarkably accurate and verified as so. D is Realbird. B Weir's Peak, etc.. and it shows where Reno fought in the valley. If fred has a modern image, it would be worthwhile posting it. Opinion is pretty set here and it should be an informative debate. The grey scale image is not too hot, i'll see if it can be cleaned up a little, at the risk of being told i've photo shopped it.
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Ford D
Nov 7, 2015 19:58:26 GMT -6
Post by dave on Nov 7, 2015 19:58:26 GMT -6
Once Keogh was "planted" the tsunami took his command out quickly. Regards Dave
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Ford D
Nov 7, 2015 20:20:32 GMT -6
Post by herosrest on Nov 7, 2015 20:20:32 GMT -6
Ducemus Comparison (quick and dirty) with Google Earth.
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Ford D
Nov 7, 2015 20:39:48 GMT -6
Post by Beth on Nov 7, 2015 20:39:48 GMT -6
Compare that woodcut with the photos taken in 1877. The drawing have been 'neatened' up to present to polite society the message that the dead are at rest in a beautiful sylvain place. It's very much a Victorian thing. It's the era we moved from burials in churchyards and into planned and landscaped parks.
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Ford D
Nov 7, 2015 20:57:03 GMT -6
Post by herosrest on Nov 7, 2015 20:57:03 GMT -6
DucemusThere were some great artists. Still are.
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Ford D
Nov 7, 2015 21:15:23 GMT -6
Post by Beth on Nov 7, 2015 21:15:23 GMT -6
No argument BTW I prefered your other widgeon to the current one.
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Ford D
Nov 8, 2015 5:38:14 GMT -6
Post by herosrest on Nov 8, 2015 5:38:14 GMT -6
Ducemus She should have been with the expedition.
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Ford D
Nov 8, 2015 12:36:17 GMT -6
Post by Beth on Nov 8, 2015 12:36:17 GMT -6
Why? It wasn't bring your wife to war week was it?
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Ford D
Nov 8, 2015 17:58:04 GMT -6
Post by herosrest on Nov 8, 2015 17:58:04 GMT -6
Ducemus I believe that she would have gone down fighting.
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Ford D
Nov 8, 2015 18:27:52 GMT -6
Post by tubman13 on Nov 8, 2015 18:27:52 GMT -6
Gone down for sure, or been captured and made a squaw.
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Ford D
Jan 3, 2017 9:00:05 GMT -6
Post by wild on Jan 3, 2017 9:00:05 GMT -6
There was no Ford D . Nor was there a Ford B. These two so called Fords only came into prominence after the fact. They are totally unneccessary to explain Custer's decision making and movement. The river was fordable along it's entire route through the battle field. Custer did not need a ford. What he needed was to clear the village Northwards for the purpose of attacking South towards Reno. He has to clear the village because it is located too close to the river to allow him space to form up and only an attack from the North will safeguard his flanks and keep the hostiles to his front. He is going to do what Reno had done but from the North.
There is no mystery about Keogh's position .The route North via MTC swings around Calhoun Hill and over the terrain on which Keogh made his "stand". Custer's column covered nigh on 4 miles from Weir Point enroute to LSH along the flank of a massive village and never more than 5 minutes distant from hundreds of warriors. Is it credible that the Indians will not pour out of the village and intercept him and chop up his puny force?
The "Ford D" scenario throws up more questions , more blunders, more coincidences as to render it untenable. Cheers
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Ford D
Jan 3, 2017 9:46:31 GMT -6
Post by tubman13 on Jan 3, 2017 9:46:31 GMT -6
Richard,
Next time you are at the battlefield check out the banks of the river you will find that there only limited crossing spots. The Ford D scenario makes GAC look smarter.
Regards, Tom
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