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Post by fred on Sept 26, 2015 6:59:08 GMT -6
It has been implied and categorically stated-- here, and certainly elsewhere-- that "fred" claims Custer attempted to cross at Ford D.
This is incorrect, so let me clear things up... since I hate it when people put words in my mouth and/or misquote me.
Custer went to Ford D... he did not make any attempt to cross there... not at that time.
He went then to Cemetery Ridge to await Keogh and Benteen. Once united, it is my opinion Custer fully intended to attack across that ford; but not until then... not before, certainly. I thought I made it quite clear in my book, but it seems some have rather poor reading comprehension.... Pity. Anyone who understands what I wrote, may certainly feel free to make it known.
Thank you and,
Best wishes, Fred.
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Sept 26, 2015 13:40:44 GMT -6
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Post by edavids on Sept 26, 2015 13:40:44 GMT -6
Rule of thumb: we have the choice to focus on what we individually do well or constantly try to fix our own and others' weaknesses. The "other"" board is what it is unless certain people are censured. Do not see how that will happen if the person running the board is one of the main culprits. Fred, you owe nobody an explanation and I believe most if not all posters on this board respect what you have to say and the work you have put into figuring out this barely knowable battle. Put your efforts into your strengths and no need to fix others idiocies.
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David
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Sept 26, 2015 14:18:12 GMT -6
Post by fred on Sept 26, 2015 14:18:12 GMT -6
David,
I try very hard to do as you suggest and for the most part I succeed. Other very wise people here-- Steve, dave, Beth... several others-- have said exactly what you say and for the most part I simply ignore the fools. What does bother me, however, is when someone says I have said, "A," when I said no such thing, or when they put words in my mouth, meaning they draw their own conclusions as if they were mine when I meant or said something to the contrary. This happens all the time and I find it prevalent on the other boards. Unfortunately, the only way I see to correct issues like that is to merely drop off the board. I have done that in the past and I have found if I am not a member, I don't generally go there. That is what it is coming to again.
I deal with it here-- or have in the past-- because I have great loyalty to these boards and most of the idiots who post there are afraid to post here: the level of knowledge here is much greater and fools are summarily dismissed. There is also a greater number of former military people who visit and post here, from time to time, and they are less apt to put up with the bullshit of hatred and so-called "tactics" and "mindsets" you see over there.
Again, I can take criticism with the best: hell, if I couldn't, I would have no business writing for public consumption: that is the way things go. As I said, however, I hate subjective reviews and I hate even more when people claim I said or wrote something I didn't. That really gets my goat... and of course, it is a lie. It is especially galling when someone hides behind a screen name, never revealing anything about themselves. We know your name here and you have told us a little something about you: that changes the playing field and it makes you part of the "crowd," part of the group. I do not think there is anyone on here who the rest of us know absolutely nothing about. That's kinda nice: it sort of makes us a club.
And thank you very much for your very kind words.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Sept 26, 2015 14:24:00 GMT -6
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Post by edavids on Sept 26, 2015 14:24:00 GMT -6
David, I try very hard to do as you suggest and for the most part I succeed. Other very wise people here-- Steve, dave, Beth... several others-- have said exactly what you say and for the most part I simply ignore the fools. What does bother me, however, is when someone says I have said, "A," when I said no such thing, or when they put words in my mouth, meaning they draw their own conclusions as if they were mine when I meant or said something to the contrary. This happens all the time and I find it prevalent on the other boards. Unfortunately, the only way I see to correct issues like that is to merely drop off the board. I have done that in the past and I have found if I am not a member, I don't generally go there. That is what it is coming to again. I deal with it here-- or have in the past-- because I have great loyalty to these boards and most of the idiots who post there are afraid to post here: the level of knowledge here is much greater and fools are summarily dismissed. There is also a greater number of former military people who visit and post here, from time to time, and they are less apt to put up with the bullshit of hatred and so-called "tactics" and "mindsets" you see over there. Again, I can take criticism with the best: hell, if I couldn't, I would have no business writing for public consumption: that is the way things go. As I said, however, I hate subjective reviews and I hate even more when people claim I said or wrote something I didn't. That really gets my goat... and of course, it is a lie. It is especially galling when someone hides behind a screen name, never revealing anything about themselves. We know your name here and you have told us a little something about you: that changes the playing field and it makes you part of the "crowd," part of the group. I do not think there is anyone on here who the rest of us know absolutely nothing about. That's kinda nice: it sort of makes us a club. And thank you very much for your very kind words. Best wishes, Fred. Fred, you have earned that respect many times over.
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Post by dave on Sept 26, 2015 16:26:48 GMT -6
So if I understand what has been said is that in the future I won't say "Fred said" but rather that "Tub said." It just doesn't have the same WOW factor but I will try to make Fred happy since he is so shy and reticent. Besides Tub doesn't use all those big words like Fred, though Chris does know them nukeular terms we could throw in the conversation.
As usual I am confused and befuddled by the ("it was everybody's fault but Custer's) faction on the other board, who (whom?) I suspect have determined that it was Colonel Mustard with the revolver in the billiard room.
Too many x-rays evidently when I had my knees replaced. Where is Chris when I need him with my personal radiation detector? Regards Dave
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Post by edavids on Sept 26, 2015 16:33:49 GMT -6
Dave-the "respectometer" keeps ticking up with each of your posts. I am not fluent in Brickwall-ese so I do not bother. You will never convince the keoghs, griffiths and iamanumbnuts of the world to change their minds. As Lucy from the Peanuts comic stated "If you can'tbe right be wrong at the top of your voice!". Works well for that ilk.
Best
David
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Sept 26, 2015 17:13:53 GMT -6
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Post by tubman13 on Sept 26, 2015 17:13:53 GMT -6
It has been implied and categorically stated-- here, and certainly elsewhere-- that "fred" claims Custer attempted to cross at Ford D. This is incorrect, so let me clear things up... since I hate it when people put words in my mouth and/or misquote me. Custer went to Ford D... he did not make any attempt to cross there... not at that time. He went then to Cemetery Ridge to await Keogh and Benteen. Once united, it is my opinion Custer fully intended to attack across that ford; but not until then... not before, certainly. I thought I made it quite clear in my book, but it seems some have rather poor reading comprehension.... Pity. Anyone who understands what I wrote, may certainly feel free to make it known. Thank you and, Best wishes, Fred. Fred, as early as the 1st quarter of 2014, you stated, on this board, Custer did not cross in the area of Ford D or its environs. This was pre publication. We will never know of an exact location for this ford, as there seems to be easy egress to the east side from much of this area and it was well employed by the NA's .
Regards, Tom
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Sept 26, 2015 17:42:56 GMT -6
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Post by shaw on Sept 26, 2015 17:42:56 GMT -6
It has been implied and categorically stated-- here, and certainly elsewhere-- that "fred" claims Custer attempted to cross at Ford D. This is incorrect, so let me clear things up... since I hate it when people put words in my mouth and/or misquote me. Custer went to Ford D... he did not make any attempt to cross there... not at that time. He went then to Cemetery Ridge to await Keogh and Benteen. Once united, it is my opinion Custer fully intended to attack across that ford; but not until then... not before, certainly. I thought I made it quite clear in my book, but it seems some have rather poor reading comprehension.... Pity. Anyone who understands what I wrote, may certainly feel free to make it known. Thank you and, Best wishes, Fred. Your book made it quite clear. When I read it, it was new information for me. Custer falls back to Cemetery Ridge. Of course Keogh and Benteen are not there. Keogh is dead and Benteen is otherwise engaged.
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Sept 26, 2015 18:13:19 GMT -6
Post by dave on Sept 26, 2015 18:13:19 GMT -6
Dave-the "respectometer" keeps ticking up with each of your posts. I am not fluent in Brickwall-ese so I do not bother. You will never convince the keoghs, griffiths and iamanumbnuts of the world to change their minds. As Lucy from the Peanuts comic stated "If you can'tbe right be wrong at the top of your voice!". Works well for that ilk. Best David David It is the simple mind that I have that enables me to keep asking questions of my betters. I have learned a lot of things that have absolutely nothing to do with GAC and the LBH. I take nothing personally but I do protest against closed minds that exude harsh words for the unenlightened such as myself. As a great man once said: "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. "Of course the sad part is the folks I am speaking of do not realize it is them. Regards Dave
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Sept 26, 2015 19:18:51 GMT -6
Post by fred on Sept 26, 2015 19:18:51 GMT -6
Again, I don't care who quotes me as long as the quote is accurate. I hate reading things that say, "Fred said..." or "Fred wrote..." when Fred said or wrote no such thing. I used to paraphrase DC all the time and every time I did so he would pop in and correct me... so I know how he felt. Dave (from Mississippi) put up some great stuff and I have quoted him; I have quoted Steve... and plenty others, but when I do I make sure I put up an accurate quote or at least say I am paraphrasing and I believe this is what so-and-so meant.
These things have a way of getting out of hand and the next thing you know, new people are saying the same thing. It becomes particularly galling when these mis-quotes are put up by someone who masks his identity because then you have no idea who or what you are dealing with. I also find that anonymity quite cowardly... when you really think about it.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Sept 26, 2015 21:44:37 GMT -6
Post by dave on Sept 26, 2015 21:44:37 GMT -6
Fred You foolishly expect male posters to act like men. Obviously you are too narrow minded to appreciate and understand poltroons like iamanumbnuts (stolen from edavids) and how they are able to carry on like nothing was amiss. Down here we have a saying "as long as you can face yourself in the mirror when shaving" and I guess those guys don't shave. From time immemorial men have been faced with the choice of honesty and moral behavior, some choose wisely and others just behave badly. I know which reputation I choose. Regards PS David you are certainly a bad influence on me and wish you would behave like an adult so I can emulate you.
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Post by Beth on Sept 26, 2015 23:26:28 GMT -6
Personally I find it very hard to face myself in the mirror while shaving because I can't raise my leg that high.
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Post by wild on Sept 27, 2015 0:43:40 GMT -6
And I was just sitting down to my breakfast.
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Sept 27, 2015 5:04:40 GMT -6
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Post by edavids on Sept 27, 2015 5:04:40 GMT -6
Fred You foolishly expect male posters to act like men. Obviously you are too narrow minded to appreciate and understand poltroons like iamanumbnuts (stolen from edavids) and how they are able to carry on like nothing was amiss. Down here we have a saying "as long as you can face yourself in the mirror when shaving" and I guess those guys don't shave. From time immemorial men have been faced with the choice of honesty and moral behavior, some choose wisely and others just behave badly. I know which reputation I choose. Regards PS David you are certainly a bad influence on me and wish you would behave like an adult so I can emulate you. Some of us were destined to serve society as a bad influence. "See what David does? Don't do that!!" Sarcasm makes up for any lack of knowledge. Just ask imsofullofbsmyeyesarebrown.. Beth, no comment. ;-) Best David
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Post by edavids on Sept 27, 2015 7:28:32 GMT -6
Now that we are here, might as well discuss Ford D. Fred states Custer went there with every intention to eventually cross, moderator on other board states that Custer was looking for good ground to fight on and some have stated there was no sojourn to Ford D. Where do people stand on this and why? Fred-hope I represented you properly.
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David
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