Post by Dark Cloud on Mar 12, 2014 15:24:18 GMT -6
fuchs,
1. We don't value each other's opinion at all, but 'crazy' isn't the opposite of 'timid in battle.' It was just a name given because it's what a Dad did when so motivated. A family heirloom. In any case, 'crazy' can also mean sexually prolific, as in the case of Crazy Woman Creek.
2. "He was made a Shirt Wearer for his warrior skills although he didn't wear it, whatever it was, it seems."
"Once again I doubt you will be able to produce a source supporting that." Once again, I can't prove a negative. If you have evidence there was a shirt - I don't and so indicated - you might produce it. Since you imply it's just a notional shirt signifying something, I have no trouble with that.
3. "We know next to nothing "for sure" about Crazy Horse, certainly not by your impossible standards." They aren't my standards, they're just standards. "Next to nothing" is just a euphemism for "nothing." As I bray often: what we have is NOT good enough just because it's all we have. He became important in death beyond what he was in life, and like Martin and others, the story blooms with age.
4. "But as mentioned, I would rather support the opinions of people like Bray and Dickson who have studied the available material for half a lifetime over some speculations from someone who has apparently only the most superficial knowledge of those matters, sorry ."
Like myself, they only compile the often fourth hand or worse opinions of others and form their own. There's very little known about CH, and of that most is contested. Compiling tales and accounts that first appear decades after the fact is not all that compelling. Might be true. Don't be sorry, as I said we hold similar views of each other, and I don't value your opinion.
5."Another example of likely confusion, and jumping to conclusions from fragmentary knowledge." Whose confusion? Not mine. Bourke actually claimed that. He was an experienced soldier with first hand knowledge. Could certainly tell a scalp from mere hair.
6. "... but of course in Lakota society you had to be an accomplished warrior to be eligible for pretty much any kind of exalted position." No. Jack Red Cloud, for example. Like always, who you knew or were related to. You only had to be a youngest son to be in CH's Pantheon of Immortal Excellence or whatever it was.
1. We don't value each other's opinion at all, but 'crazy' isn't the opposite of 'timid in battle.' It was just a name given because it's what a Dad did when so motivated. A family heirloom. In any case, 'crazy' can also mean sexually prolific, as in the case of Crazy Woman Creek.
2. "He was made a Shirt Wearer for his warrior skills although he didn't wear it, whatever it was, it seems."
"Once again I doubt you will be able to produce a source supporting that." Once again, I can't prove a negative. If you have evidence there was a shirt - I don't and so indicated - you might produce it. Since you imply it's just a notional shirt signifying something, I have no trouble with that.
3. "We know next to nothing "for sure" about Crazy Horse, certainly not by your impossible standards." They aren't my standards, they're just standards. "Next to nothing" is just a euphemism for "nothing." As I bray often: what we have is NOT good enough just because it's all we have. He became important in death beyond what he was in life, and like Martin and others, the story blooms with age.
4. "But as mentioned, I would rather support the opinions of people like Bray and Dickson who have studied the available material for half a lifetime over some speculations from someone who has apparently only the most superficial knowledge of those matters, sorry ."
Like myself, they only compile the often fourth hand or worse opinions of others and form their own. There's very little known about CH, and of that most is contested. Compiling tales and accounts that first appear decades after the fact is not all that compelling. Might be true. Don't be sorry, as I said we hold similar views of each other, and I don't value your opinion.
5."Another example of likely confusion, and jumping to conclusions from fragmentary knowledge." Whose confusion? Not mine. Bourke actually claimed that. He was an experienced soldier with first hand knowledge. Could certainly tell a scalp from mere hair.
6. "... but of course in Lakota society you had to be an accomplished warrior to be eligible for pretty much any kind of exalted position." No. Jack Red Cloud, for example. Like always, who you knew or were related to. You only had to be a youngest son to be in CH's Pantheon of Immortal Excellence or whatever it was.