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Post by herosrest on Jun 12, 2012 8:00:52 GMT -6
Three Medical Officers accompanied 7th Cavalry, given oddly in argument for composition of 7th Cavalry's battalions on 25th June, two surgeons marched and died with Custer, whilst the third fought with Maj. Reno. Sitting Bull prepared a series of drawings of his exploits. Afterward his uncle Four Horns, began a set of copies in the roster book of an infantry regiment. Four Horns completed 54 drawings and was working on the 55th when the book fell into the hands of some Indian who sold it to James P. Kimball, Assistant Surgeon, U.S.A. in 1870. The book was placed in the Army Medical Museum, Washington, D.C. and later transferred to archives of the Bureau of American Ethnology in 1929. While Sitting Bull was prisoner of war, the book was brought to him for verification. Sitting Bull pointed out that fifteen ofdrawings in the original, represented exploits performed by his brother Jumping Bull, and not by himself. In 1873 the Trapper silver lode was discovered. Silver was discovered on Clark's Fork of the Yellowstone in 1874, and F. D. Pease went to Pennsylvania in the spring of 1875 to arrange for smelters but Indian troubles prevented mining until 1877, when the Eastern Montana Mining and Smelting Company erected furnaces. Army doctor, Colonel and assistant surgeon-general, U.S. Army. James Putnam Kimball, was Director of the United States Mint, July 1885 - October 1889. As geologist and explorer, he made the first recorded discovery and scientific exploration of Grasshopper Glacier in Custer National Park. He was Chief medical officer under General Terry and General Stanley during surveys of the proposed route of the Northern Pacific Rail road. He was detached from Fort Brady, Michigan, to join Terry as Custer's senior medical officer and delayed by blizzard, credited for saving his life by preventing him from joining 7th Cavalry. In November 1877, James P. Kimball wrote to U.S. Senator William A. Wallace requesting Senatorial documents on silver currency and congratulating Wallace on his recent election. (Edward S. Luce, 'The Diary and Letters of Dr. James M. DeWolf' ; Maria B. Kimball, 'A Soldier Doctor of Our Army') Attachments:
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Post by Dark Cloud on Jun 12, 2012 10:08:18 GMT -6
You're a complete incompetent, herosrest. Your first sentence is totally wrong.
Two 'surgeons' were with Reno and one, DeWolf, was killed. One was with Custer and was killed. Doctors were not held in the regard they are today.
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Post by herosrest on Jun 12, 2012 13:02:21 GMT -6
er............. two surgeons with Custer's regiment were killed, one fought with Reno.
The other was delayed arriving before the regiment marched, and wasn't killed with Custer, as he surely would have been, as the senior.
You might not like the sentence, but what should I say. You might reconsider, perhaps it might grow on you.
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Post by benteen on Jun 12, 2012 13:27:28 GMT -6
Herosrest,
I hate to say this, since you seem to get pounded from every angle, but the fact is two surgeons Dr DeWolf (killed) and Dr Porter were with Reno. Dr Lord (Killed) was with Custer.
Be Well Dan
Perhaps since Dr Porter seems to have been Dr DeWolfs assistant, when you read it , they may have listed both as being with Custers regiment not meaning his battalion, a simple mistake anyone can make
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Post by "Hunk" Papa on Jun 12, 2012 17:02:18 GMT -6
er............. two surgeons with Custer's regiment were killed, one fought with Reno. Fred Gerard's testimony: Q. State whether or not that crossing was covered during the retreat (Reno's). A. Not that I know of. I know of no deployment to cover it. About the time the greater part of the command had crossed there were but few shots around us, no heavy firing at all except the instances I have related, and I think there was another man killed there, a corporal of Company A was killed there and another man near Dr. DeWolf. Q. Was that at the time of crossing or after? A. After we crossed, that firing must have come from the hill above us. I know Dr. DeWolf was shot from the hill above us. Convinced? Regards. Hunk
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Post by herosrest on Jun 13, 2012 7:39:15 GMT -6
Two doctor's died with Custer and the 7th Cavalry at Little Big Horn. One fought with Reno and survived. The fourth surgeon assigned to the regiment at the time of the June 25th, 1876 battle, became Director of the United States Mint. Kimball is important to history in several ways, the drawings obtained from Four Horns indicated Sitting Bull's prowess in battle. It was military intel, if you like, passed onto the appropriate authority, and that knowledge led to the significant efforts in 1876 to de-bunk Sitting Bull as a military leader. Whilst common historical opinion of the Black Hill's economic value resounds in the gold rush. it was in fact hillsides of solid silver, for example 80 tons of ore which yielded 30 of bullion, which was the real story opf mineral resources. Just as the enterprise was being established, and smelting underway, the Nez Perces descended upon Yellowstone and briefly upset a few apple carts.
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Post by "Hunk" Papa on Jun 14, 2012 12:50:58 GMT -6
Two doctor's died with Custer and the 7th Cavalry at Little Big Horn. One fought with Reno and survived. The fourth surgeon assigned to the regiment at the time of the June 25th, 1876 battle, became Director of the United States Mint. Kimball is important to history in several ways, the drawings obtained from Four Horns indicated Sitting Bull's prowess in battle. It was military intel, if you like, passed onto the appropriate authority, and that knowledge led to the significant efforts in 1876 to de-bunk Sitting Bull as a military leader. Whilst common historical opinion of the Black Hill's economic value resounds in the gold rush. it was in fact hillsides of solid silver, for example 80 tons of ore which yielded 30 of bullion, which was the real story opf mineral resources. Just as the enterprise was being established, and smelting underway, the Nez Perces descended upon Yellowstone and briefly upset a few apple carts. Ah, the proverbial silver lining, doctored to suit the thread. Awesome. Regards. Hunk
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Post by herosrest on Aug 29, 2020 7:39:12 GMT -6
er............. two surgeons with Custer's regiment were killed, one fought with Reno. Fred Gerard's testimony: Q. State whether or not that crossing was covered during the retreat (Reno's). A. Not that I know of. I know of no deployment to cover it. About the time the greater part of the command had crossed there were but few shots around us, no heavy firing at all except the instances I have related, and I think there was another man killed there, a corporal of Company A was killed there and another man near Dr. DeWolf. Q. Was that at the time of crossing or after? A. After we crossed, that firing must have come from the hill above us. I know Dr. DeWolf was shot from the hill above us. Convinced? Regards. Hunk The question come (comes) to mind as to how Fred could have possibly known anything at all, at all, per se, in any way, about events of the river crossing undertaken by Marcus's battalion during the rout at the river; when he was watching Charles Reynold's decapitation and violation by blood thirsty savages intent upon wreaking revenge upon those who dared to violate their God given rite to wreak havoc and revenge upon those who attacked them in camp, at the river, on a peaceful and sunny Sunday morning. Gerard knew absolutely nothing of what took place at the retreat across the river. He wasn't there. He could not see there. He might just have been able to hear some shooting. One might interject that he saw the killing on the bluffs but i'm afraid that such speculation would piffle for tosh. Gerard knew nothing and was rather, very keen on the long tall Sally. He heard about the Doctor's death after rejoining Reno's Regiment on the bluffs after the battle. That would have been when he told Reno he saw Custer's command on the bluffs and that he had spoken with Cooke about the absolute hordes of Indians not running away but coming out to fight. Ah..... Good man, Gerard. Using initiative. Make sure you note it all down for the record, will you. Now, about Custer having reinstated you as interpreter before leaving FAL. Well.......... I'm in command now! Two surgeon's died with Custer. A third fought on Reno Hill and survived.
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Post by nomann on Aug 30, 2020 14:57:49 GMT -6
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