Keogh's Indian Baby

[Diane Merkel]

Since everyone loves to speculate about the Custer brothers' possible parenthood, I think it only fair to do the same to His Holiness:

Keogh was a made man in the inner sanctum of power. His importance to General Buford during the Civil War followed on the heels of his Papal commendation after having fought alongside his fellow Irishmen, who he led in Italian wars with the Vatican Army. His grave-tending paramour is none other than the New York Governor's daughter in a time when Tammany Hall ruled all aspects of politics in America. You will see that a Martin name appears on the marriage certificate of my paternal grandparents. You might think it is a romantic tale as you hear about how she tended his grave until the day she died in Auburn, New York. You might wonder whose daughter it was that she cared for and came to the wedding in Toronto to give away. I cannot say for sure that the child was her grandchild as I start researching this matter in greater detail.

It is possible that she cared for a part Mandan Indian girl that Myles fathered in the many trips he and Custer took among the Indians. It is almost certain that he would have been sexually active because he was known to enjoy the ladies. The child would then have had a child and this Ms. Della Martin would possibly have cared for the child if the parent died or if she was its grandmother. It is also possible that it was the offspring of Keogh's brother's children but that does not seem likely due to the grave-tending and other things I discovered. You will have to endure a lot of my explorations and make many of your own if we are to learn all we can about the man and the intrigues that have spawned thousands of books. 'Myles probably returned to Ireland in the summer of 1874, as his Aunt Mary had died leaving him Clifden in her will. It is accepted amongst his family in Ireland that he became engaged to Nelly Martin around this time, but no positive proof exists at the moment.'

Source: electionnovember.com/336928-Custer-and-Keogh-Lincoln-s-Assassination-too.html

The author, who claims to be related to Keogh, has lots of interesting theories.

[BrokenSword]

Okay. I feel a story coming on.

George, Tom and Myles - 'Three Officers and a Baby"

[Dark Cloud]

"...the man and the intrigues that have spawned thousands of books."

It's more likely he means "sold", rather than "spawned", but that seems absurd as well. Keogh ain't important, but his photo continues to make both spinsters and their literary 'walkers' swoon, something Connell pointed out and which is hysterically denied by the very same spinsters and their literary 'walkers.'

[Melani]

Oh, come on, Diane, we all dismissed Robert Bruce Baird as a total nutcase years ago, including you, unless I'm very much mistaken. He claims to be descended from Keogh, Nelly Martin, Mandans, and Atlanteans.

What have you guys got against Keogh, anyway, and why is he now a taboo topic for discussion? I've never for one minute claimed he was perfect. This whole thing started a year ago with a thread that you, Diane, started to congratulate Elisabeth and Doyle on their interview with the Keogh family at Orchard House and the article they wrote for this site, which is still up. They both quit when dc chimed in to say Keogh was a thug and all Irishmen were inferior drunks. I don't know why you allow him to continually make such bigoted statements without the slightest qualms, or why you would rather have him here posturing and browbeating everybody, instead of researchers of the quality of Elisabeth Kimber and Robert Doyle. I agree with chadron; this board is definitely headed for the sewer with stuff like that.

[Diane Merkel]

You are the only one doing the browbeating and, if these boards are headed to the sewer as you suggest, you can claim the victory.

Stop turning my words around. Obviously, Keogh is open to discussion or I wouldn't have bothered to start this thread. The key word is discussion. It's impossible to have one -- or share a little humor -- with your constant whining.

[wolfgang911]

well when you're treated a hysterically spinster and the topic opens with his Holiness placing the topic in your backyard it is hard to see the humour I guess

[Melani]

Sorry, Diane, I didn't realize you intended the Baird quote as satire.

I don't see how I am browbeating anyone by using references to back up my points, and then objecting to being called a liar.

I am wondering--what should I do in this situation, when dc says something that I feel is not correct and insults me while he's at it? It doesn't really feel like a discussion when the only opinion he will entertain on the subject is that Keogh was scum and no references or documents that show anything different from what he believes are admissible. I don't know what correct internet etiquette is when someone repeatedly accuses you of lying.

P.S. I have apologized for the "army boots" comment. Now when do I get my apology from dc? I have not knowingly lied about anything, but apparently he feels mistakes come under that heading as well.

[Dark Cloud]

Merkel's intent was clear when she chose the section called "Tupperware Gossip" to install this. Nobody would think that it was a suggested real issue.

[Melani]

There are plenty of real issues discussed in this section, and as wolfgang said, starting out by referring to Keogh as "His Holiness" tends to make one think that Keogh is being ridiculed once again. For the life of me I can't understand why. He was a perfectly good officer and generally liked by both the Custer Clan and Benteen and others, and to the best of my knowledge never did anything particularly awful to anybody. I have never once said he was perfect, or endowed with any mystical characteristics. He is the hook that brought me to this study, by virtue of reading a kid's novel when I was 10, and I have learned a lot about him and others from this board and the people on it. I don't think I need to apologize to anybody for finding him interesting, and I don't think I am whining when I object to being reviled by dc.

So who are the hysterical spinsters you are referring to, and what do you mean by "literary walkers?"

[justme]

I didn't see any evidence of you whining. I think you just stepped on Her Highnesses' toes. If you don't agree with her, then you are WRONG. JMHO.

[Dark Cloud]

If Merkel wanted to post everyone's computer ID's, wouldn't object.

[Melani]

Sept 6, 2009 19:11:19 GMT -6 Melani said:

I have apologized for the "army boots" comment. Now when do I get my apology from dc? I have not knowingly lied about anything, but apparently he feels mistakes come under that heading as well.

Well, I guess that ain't gonna happen.