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Honor
Oct 23, 2008 18:59:53 GMT -6
Post by AZ Ranger on Oct 23, 2008 18:59:53 GMT -6
I may have to say your honor to a judge but it does have anything to do with glory. Is the honor system the same as the glory system.
Is McClod that New Mexico officer that went to New York City on a TV series?
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Honor
Oct 23, 2008 20:09:17 GMT -6
Post by Dark Cloud on Oct 23, 2008 20:09:17 GMT -6
Not as completely ridiculous as Fred's tantrums were, hunkpapa, but the willing shill appears, and you're back to name calling with clever plays on name spelling and resultant pronounciation. Fortunately, you stopped yourself before utilizing "Hey you, get off of my cloud" variants that are just as funny today as they were back in 1965, when I first heard it.
McCloud was a terrible show in the 70's but played by Dennis Weaver, who just died here in Colorado a few years back. He was pushing the idea of building houses with renewable sources, like auto tires for insulation and stuff, and his own home was built that way. Supposedly, it kept 65-70 degrees year round with no central heat or A/C.
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Honor
Oct 23, 2008 20:12:29 GMT -6
Post by sherppa on Oct 23, 2008 20:12:29 GMT -6
That's why the Allies in 1945 wanted the defeated to KNOW they'd been defeated. Sherman had the same view ,holding that the confederates army and society were guilty.A view I hold in relation to the war in Iraq and the society which supports that war. ?? sherppa
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Honor
Oct 23, 2008 20:15:03 GMT -6
Post by hiswillingshill on Oct 23, 2008 20:15:03 GMT -6
AMEN, DC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just brilliant! And so good looking, and........(damn, where's the next....) so charming!!! And written so beautifully!!!!!! (ed.: reduce exclamation points).
You are a deity too bright to look upon! (ed.: better.......)
Amen! Sing it chilluns!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-men! God bless you all!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-men!!!!
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Honor
Oct 24, 2008 13:02:12 GMT -6
Post by crzhrs on Oct 24, 2008 13:02:12 GMT -6
Isn't that what captured Nazis said about following orders at concentration camps.
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Honor
Oct 24, 2008 16:17:25 GMT -6
Post by "Hunk" Papa on Oct 24, 2008 16:17:25 GMT -6
I may have to say your honor to a judge but it does have anything to do with glory. Is the honor system the same as the glory system.
Ranger, I cannot do better than repeat that synonyms do NOT have to have the exact same meaning as the original word. Honor and glory ARE synonyms but are NOT mutually interchangeable in all contexts as I have already stated. So no, the honor system is not the same as the glory system any more than chastity is the same as modesty, though both are synonyms of honor. If you have a different understanding of what a synonym is in the U.S.A., then we are debating this matter to no good purpose, but if not, then it is not rocket science to understand that one word can be a synonym of another without both needing to mean exactly the same thing in all circumstances. Hunk
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Honor
Oct 24, 2008 16:30:16 GMT -6
Post by "Hunk" Papa on Oct 24, 2008 16:30:16 GMT -6
Not as completely ridiculous as Fred's tantrums were, hunkpapa, but the willing shill appears, and you're back to name calling with clever plays on name spelling and resultant pronounciation. Fortunately, you stopped yourself before utilizing "Hey you, get off of my cloud" variants that are just as funny today as they were back in 1965, when I first heard it.
A not unexpected feeble riposte from the master name caller himself. Corporisque viribus litteris et languente nos erudite, hac e disciplina. Floreat veritas.
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Honor
Oct 24, 2008 21:06:37 GMT -6
Post by AZ Ranger on Oct 24, 2008 21:06:37 GMT -6
I may have to say your honor to a judge but it does have anything to do with glory. Is the honor system the same as the glory system.
Ranger, I cannot do better than repeat that synonyms do NOT have to have the exact same meaning as the original word. Honor and glory ARE synonyms but are NOT mutually interchangeable in all contexts as I have already stated. So no, the honor system is not the same as the glory system any more than chastity is the same as modesty, though both are synonyms of honor. If you have a different understanding of what a synonym is in the U.S.A., then we are debating this matter to no good purpose, but if not, then it is not rocket science to understand that one word can be a synonym of another without both needing to mean exactly the same thing in all circumstances. Hunk I spend most of my time doing rather than studying words so I will leave that to the expert word-smiths. From my C average in English a synonym means the same or nearly the same. So I see where glory and honor can overlap in a small part but to me honor has a lot more meanings and glory is not close to those meanings. Seeking glory may not be always be honorable. AZ Ranger
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Honor
Oct 24, 2008 21:56:49 GMT -6
Post by Dark Cloud on Oct 24, 2008 21:56:49 GMT -6
"(1) Honor is of course synonymous with glory but I guess that is not the meaning you seek." Again: all glory is an honor, all honor is not a glory. Even the Oxford doesn't list glory as a primary or secondary meaning/sense for honor. Glory might be synonymous with honor, since all glory is an honor. But not the reverse.
It's important.
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Oct 25, 2008 7:14:32 GMT -6
Post by conz on Oct 25, 2008 7:14:32 GMT -6
After a grueling martial arts workout, Buffy the Vampire Slayer told her mentor, "I feel I should have honor, or something."
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Oct 25, 2008 8:25:33 GMT -6
Post by AZ Ranger on Oct 25, 2008 8:25:33 GMT -6
After a grueling martial arts workout, Buffy the Vampire Slayer told her mentor, "I feel I should have honor, or something." What MOS is a vampire slayer?
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Honor
Oct 25, 2008 13:52:04 GMT -6
Post by wild on Oct 25, 2008 13:52:04 GMT -6
all glory is an honor, Evil can be glorious but never honourable. Agincourt was a glorious victory but brought no honour to the victor.In fact the behaviour of the victor is regarded by the French as a war crime. The charge of the light brigade was glorious but no one would describe it as honourable. Glorious has been used to describe some of histories greatest tyrants who would be the antithesis of honourable. A victory at the LBH would have brought much glory to Custer but no honour. Glory needs a witness honour does not. So no, all glory is not honour.
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Honor
Oct 26, 2008 7:48:13 GMT -6
Post by AZ Ranger on Oct 26, 2008 7:48:13 GMT -6
Even in war both sides have soldiers that receive medals for honor for their acts. So evil can have its supporters that believe it in their ideas of what constitutes honor.
I am sure there were those that remained in the charge for their idea of honor and didn't think it was glorious. Do you believe the average soldier was seeking glory or just following orders with their honor at stake to stick in the formation even if you thought it suicide.
I believe that a lot of my boot camp had training to instill a sense of honor. The honor of the Marine Corps was at stake by my individual actions. Many times I heard are we Marines or (some other branch of the US) with expectation to do more. It worked.
AZ Ranger
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Honor
Oct 26, 2008 8:06:30 GMT -6
Post by wild on Oct 26, 2008 8:06:30 GMT -6
Even in war both sides have soldiers that receive medals for honor for their acts. You are confusing courage with honour.
I am sure there were those that remained in the charge for their idea of honor and didn't think it was glorious. Soldiers are not employed for their ideas or their philosophy.When you sign up you leave your personal convictions to one side.
The honor of the Marine Corps was at stake by my individual actions No it was not.Its reputation might have been but that is an entirely different thing.
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Oct 26, 2008 9:14:36 GMT -6
Post by AZ Ranger on Oct 26, 2008 9:14:36 GMT -6
Even in war both sides have soldiers that receive medals for honor for their acts. You are confusing courage with honour.The medal is the honor. Many acts of courage go unnoticed. I am sure there were those that remained in the charge for their idea of honor and didn't think it was glorious. Soldiers are not employed for their ideas or their philosophy.When you sign up you leave your personal convictions to one side. In Viet Nam there was a draft and a lot didn't sign up. The training was to insure that the personal covictions were left behind. We had a drafted conscientious objector in boot camp with us. After being the preferred training dummy throughout he was ready to kill the VC that caused him so much grief for his beliefs. The honor of the Marine Corps was at stake by my individual actions. No it was not.Its reputation might have been but that is an entirely different thing. I am not sure what yout point is here. I am telling you what I was taught. I don't think my drill insructors were looking in the Oxford dictionary for the meaning of reputation and honor how though could influence each other. Leaving wounded on the battlefield would effect both reputation and honor don't you think? From www.answers.com/topic/honourThis must have been what my drill instructors meant. AZ Ranger
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