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Post by weir on Apr 7, 2006 7:28:23 GMT -6
West, you and CSS, very often close your messages with a " parting shot." And you should recognize a fanatic when you see one, as you clearly see one daily when looking in the mirror. Coming from a dog soldier it is right to the point. Dog soldiers were what I call fanatics.
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Post by crzhrs on Apr 7, 2006 7:32:08 GMT -6
West:
You just quoted Ross: "As a soldier I would rather be dead with Custer on his hill than alive on the hill of the survivors after having neglected my duty." Weir certainly felt that way.
Then you say that is fanaticism . . . that's a contradiction.
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Post by Tricia on Apr 7, 2006 7:32:10 GMT -6
Suicide is the coward's way out. If one cannot deal with tramatic experiences then kill themselves over it they have a problem. I never said Weir was not upset over the loss of friends at the LBH, but losing friends cannot justify suicide, whether it was at the LBH or any other event in one's life. Crzhrs-- Absolutely correct. Suicide is the most cowardly of cowardly acts. Weir tells Libbie that he has these "secrets" for her ... and then offs himself? What kind of hero is that when he could not only reveal some motivations about Benteen, but also add to our knowledge of the situation at Reno Hill. What a waste of a life and potential information. Frankly, I prefer the death by DTs scenario--and the one Chuck Merkel's dissertation seems to have proven. But [red]they[/red] want to continue to beat a dead horse and glorify a death that seems anything but glorious. This kind of rampant speculation without any basis in fact is the stuff of pulp fiction. I have quite a bit of sympathy for Weir, but it would completely end with any suicide. From here on in, I am only going to talk about the facts of this case and not engage in outrageous speculations. Regards, Leyton McLean
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Post by weir on Apr 7, 2006 7:35:14 GMT -6
West: You just quoted Ross: "As a soldier I would rather be dead with Custer on his hill than alive on the hill of the survivors after having neglected my duty." Weir certainly felt that way. Then you say that is fanaticism . . . that's a contradiction. No, I just said a young guy promising to die is fanatism. A guy that say he would be so ashamed to live after a case like LBH doesn't sound the same for me than a young fellow who promises to be killed.
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Post by weir on Apr 7, 2006 7:35:54 GMT -6
Suicide is the coward's way out. If one cannot deal with tramatic experiences then kill themselves over it they have a problem. I never said Weir was not upset over the loss of friends at the LBH, but losing friends cannot justify suicide, whether it was at the LBH or any other event in one's life. Crzhrs-- Absolutely correct. Suicide is the most cowardly of cowardly acts. Weir tells Libbie that he has these "secrets" for her ... and then offs himself? What kind of hero is that when he could not only reveal some motivations about Benteen, but also add to our knowledge of the situation at Reno Hill. What a waste of a life and potential information. Frankly, I prefer the death by DTs scenario--and the one Chuck Merkel's dissertation seems to have proven. But [red]they[/red] want to continue to beat a dead horse and glorify a death that seems anything but glorious. This kind of rampant speculation without any basis in fact is the stuff of pulp fiction. I have quite a bit of sympathy for Weir, but it would completely end with any suicide. From here on in, I am only going to talk about the facts of this case and not engage in outrageous speculations. Regards, Leyton McLean I don't share your view of cowardice in suicide. Anyway, we have no evidences Weir passed away from suicide, so...
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Post by Tricia on Apr 7, 2006 7:36:43 GMT -6
Crzhrs-- IF Weir committed suicide--which I am not convinced of--he is a bigger coward than Reno ever could hope to be. Suicide, for whatever reason, is simply abhorrent and the most selfish act anyone can perpetrate ... and often ruinious to the people left behind. I can sympathise with Weir's mental state, but I cannot condone or heroize any man who willingly takes his own life. But getting back to your point, it would be nice to see if there are any references to Weir's behaviour at Reno Hill. Surely there are some biographical articles running around about the fellow. Regards, Leyton McLean Captain Thomas Weir is the only man who had a little honor in the whole LBH affair. You don't have the right to insult him in any manner. The coward was the drunk incompetent officer who didn't do anything and the jealous and full of bile old bastard who didn't do their duty. These two traitors are now honored in Arlington cemetery and, the worse infamy yet, in LBH cemetery. It's a shame. Don't EVER insult Captain Weir again. Don't even try to. Because honoring barbarous kamikazes on LBH battlefield is one thing I can probably accept because it's fashionable. But insulting Captain Weir is crossing the line. Maybe you could never understand what it is to see his comrades being under fire when no support is ahead. It's normal: in fact, your own ancestors taught their own children to be killed for the Great Spirit in great suicidal attacks. ( Hero of the Little Bighorn) EVERY SINGLE MAN WHO FOUGHT ON THAT BATTLEFIELD IS WORTHY OF OUR HONOR. You claim you love the US Army and in the same sentance, you condemn all of them BUT Weir. Regards, Leyton McLean
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Post by Tricia on Apr 7, 2006 7:43:58 GMT -6
Suicide is the coward's way out. If one cannot deal with tramatic experiences then kill themselves over it they have a problem. I never said Weir was not upset over the loss of friends at the LBH, but losing friends cannot justify suicide, whether it was at the LBH or any other event in one's life. I never thought suicide is the way out for cowards. Could you be a little more merciful ? What did Thomas Rosser say : "As a soldier I would rather be dead with Custer on his hill than alive on the hill of the survivors after having neglected my duty" Weir certainly felt that way. On december 1876, it was his Last Stand with the ghosts of the LBH. Weir is really my hero I confess. Great man. Hitler committed suicide. Mussolini did the same. So did the kids who took over Columbine High. Real heroes there.
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Post by weir on Apr 7, 2006 7:44:07 GMT -6
If it could be proven - and it could be - that 2/3 of the 7th cavalry regiment didn't join their commander while he was fighting to death, I don't see why the main officers and others should be celebrated.
They don't receive respect at any cost, they earn it.
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Post by weir on Apr 7, 2006 7:45:04 GMT -6
I never thought suicide is the way out for cowards. Could you be a little more merciful ? What did Thomas Rosser say : "As a soldier I would rather be dead with Custer on his hill than alive on the hill of the survivors after having neglected my duty" Weir certainly felt that way. On december 1876, it was his Last Stand with the ghosts of the LBH. Weir is really my hero I confess. Great man. Hitler committed suicide. Mussolini did the same. So did the kids who took over Columbine High. Real heroes there. Ok we are over on this. I prefer not to remind you who you are talking about.
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Post by crzhrs on Apr 7, 2006 7:48:29 GMT -6
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Post by custerstillstands on Apr 7, 2006 8:01:46 GMT -6
Captain Thomas Weir is the only man who had a little honor in the whole LBH affair. You don't have the right to insult him in any manner. The coward was the drunk incompetent officer who didn't do anything and the jealous and full of bile old bastard who didn't do their duty. These two traitors are now honored in Arlington cemetery and, the worse infamy yet, in LBH cemetery. It's a shame. Don't EVER insult Captain Weir again. Don't even try to. Because honoring barbarous kamikazes on LBH battlefield is one thing I can probably accept because it's fashionable. But insulting Captain Weir is crossing the line. Maybe you could never understand what it is to see his comrades being under fire when no support is ahead. It's normal: in fact, your own ancestors taught their own children to be killed for the Great Spirit in great suicidal attacks. ( Hero of the Little Bighorn) EVERY SINGLE MAN WHO FOUGHT ON THAT BATTLEFIELD IS WORTHY OF OUR HONOR. You claim you love the US Army and in the same sentance, you condemn all of them BUT Weir. Regards, Leyton McLean Nope. I condemned Benteen and Reno and eventually Wallace who lied for Reno. Other men, including officers, hadn't really choice but to obey, altough I consider Weir with great respect because he did more than all of them. He's one of the greatest man of the battle - a truest hero.
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Post by Tricia on Apr 7, 2006 8:05:36 GMT -6
If it could be proven - and it could be - that 2/3 of the 7th cavalry regiment didn't join their commander while he was fighting to death, I don't see why the main officers and others should be celebrated. They don't receive respect at any cost, they earn it. Both you and CSS seem to conveniently forget that LBH wasn't over on June 25 ... but lasted until probably early in the morning of June 27. Therefore, there was plenty of fighting to be had and those who fought demand honor. As you are so quick to say ... "this is the US Army." These were volunteers who fought for their country. Whether they fought on the 25th or the 26th makes little difference to me in the grand scheme of it. THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR THEIR COUNTRY. I cannot stomach the manner in which you dishonour them. Regards, Leyton McLean
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Post by weir on Apr 7, 2006 8:07:11 GMT -6
And guess why they had to be behind breastworks on Reno Hill on June 26th ?
Because of their behavior of June 25th.
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Post by custerstillstands on Apr 7, 2006 8:08:20 GMT -6
If it could be proven - and it could be - that 2/3 of the 7th cavalry regiment didn't join their commander while he was fighting to death, I don't see why the main officers and others should be celebrated. They don't receive respect at any cost, they earn it. Both you and CSS seem to conveniently forget that LBH wasn't over on June 25 ... but lasted until probably early in the morning of June 27. Therefore, there was plenty of fighting to be had and those who fought demand honor. As you are so quick to say ... "this is the US Army." These were volunteers who fought for their country. Whether they fought on the 25th or the 26th makes little difference to me in the grand scheme of it. THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR THEIR COUNTRY. I cannot stomach the manner in which you dishonour them. Regards, Leyton McLean Benteen and Reno don't deserve honor because of what they did on June 25, which caused the June 26-27 siege. However, I have a great respect for the officers and men (Reno and Benteen not included) who fought two days long and I've spent much time reading and studying their testimonies about their own battle
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Post by Tricia on Apr 7, 2006 8:10:51 GMT -6
THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. ALL OF THEM. But still, ya know, even Utley maintains that LBH was an Indian victory first and foremost.
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