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[herosrest]

Men in row shooting rifles at 'Custer Battlefield'

^Ducemus

Sept 4, 2023 4:00:05 GMT -6 herosrest said:

There have been noted comparisons of photography of old with modern actuality. That is comparing 19th and early 20th century images of LBH withwhat can be seen today. Some were good and some were not and some have formed the basis of quite solid understandings of the fighting - such as 'The Cemetery Episode'. I accumulate 'Todo's' since this battle isn't actually going anywhere any more and is simply subject to rotund variability as each new generation involve to evolve one of the simplest cavalry attacke of all time. It could have worked - but didn't and brought about a culture shock entirely equal to December 7th, 1941.

David F. Barry posed two skirmishline's indicated to him by Gall, in 1886, and these have been wrongly located for as long as I can remember. It is frightening to realise the use of those interpretations to portray and misrepresent destruction of Custer's command. The tactical fight is an utter confusion of unmilitaryness other than wild escape and evade as the companies were over run, or disintegrated as non military inject into understanding. Well Dick, what happened on Custer's Battlefield? That's simple, stupid - They disintegrated!

Nothing was or is what it seemed or seems in terrain endlessly repeating its features across foreground and horizon through 360 degrees.



One of Barry's skirmishlines is identified as west.... This was fighting that took place along the retreat up and across North Medicine Tail Ck (Deep Coulee). The other was east of Battle Ridge.

There ya go........... Call in an expert.


In case you haven't realised, the markers in the modern image offer something of a clue. Actually, they are an immense clue that should be considered reality rather theoretical supposition. Over to Owen J. Sweet, perhaps............

Hmmm................ How very, very, odd. The markers substantiate the Barry image and Gall.

We know from Barry himself, that the images were taken early morning which is consistent with shadow fall. The location is east of what today is Battle Ridge which was substantially altered by grading for constuction of the Battlefield Road. Some of the earthwork constructed was immense.

Lovely. Skirmishing where markers confirm it took place. Simples - no rocket science and no ethereal theory of cemetery episodes - the entire battleground was considered a cemetery until eclipsed by that in place now, to the west of the monument.

I can offer quite valid tactical theory based upon this evidence and movements by Cheyennes along Greasy Grass Ridge to block movement north or west and south towards the river, whilst the Sioux poured in across ford B, and down from Weir' Peak across MTC to pop the cork into the bottle - but that can wait until current supposition based theory has disintegrated itself in the face of overwhelming veracity.

Good God, man: we can't have that. An evidenced skirmishline on the battleground where dozens of fallen markers stand today! Preposterous!

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The Band played on!

Stand to! for taps.

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[herosrest]

^Ducemus

Please remember that there was a gap and no-one minding it!


The counter point link

[herosrest]

^Ducemus

The posit locates a Gall indicated and Barry photographed cavalry fighting position, to the east side of modern Battle Ridge and facing east. The location was noticed considerably long ago (by me) in comparisons of the Barry image with the broader surrounding horizon backgrounds. Proving the comparison clinically will alter erstwhile theoretical work stemming from the the 1980's in publications of work and supposition that a primary interest of the 7th Cavalry's attack at Little Bighorn was hostage taking, perhaps in desperation, which failed at the first hurdle of crossing distant fords far below the battle's culmination above the river on a deep coulee which became a ravine.


This work parallels, if not mirroring that undertaken by a trinity of battle enthusiasts for the book, 'Where Custer Fell'. Later technology offers the possibility of far better and quicker comparison data from the ground utilising advanced airborn imaging to survey the terrain, and importantly, develop refined and broad viewsheds to help evolve the poor and unmilitary mindsets undertaking earlier projects. My interest now is for a command drone able to operate over the terrain after the 4,450 mile flight from England. Return is not an issue since datalinks render the hardware expendable.

The hope is to improve considerably on the level of detail here youtu.be/NECfqmY4kC4 and match the Barry fighting line to markers on the east flank of Battle Ridge, rather than the bland cursory view of the past that it is all to do with views west into the valley of the Little Horn.

A 4,500 mile drone deployment..... hmmmmm............

[herosrest]

^Ducemus

Central to this tenet is Gall, and his 10th anniversary of the hatchet job. At that gathering, he gave a number of interviews, at least three including Godfrey, Barry and the Pioneer Press. The latter is tediously interesting for a number of reasons but and however, across the years, Gall has been wafted about the battlefield by a succesion of authors who place him, there, here and any everywhere (Spirit) with his bloody axe.

Let's see what there is to be seen. Remember that someone has just wiped out your family in the valley and revenge is your duty.

[johnson1941]

Weird...
account 2..

"Did you fight Reno?"
"No; I only fought the white men soldiers down this way."
"Then you know nothing of what happened at the upper end of the village?"
"No, I was down among the Cheyennes looking after horses when the first attack was made on our village."

account 1
"Reno swept down so rapidly on the upper end that the Indians were forced to fight. Sitting Bull and I were at the point where Reno attacked. Sitting Bull was big medicine. The women and children were hastily moved down stream where the Cheyennes were camped."


Important as Astonisher says he was fighting Reno, and would miss intro moves by Custer...not sure if that is true.

And this is your subject here(?)

"it would appear that Calhoun's men died fighting as skirmishers, while Keogh rallied his company, which was all killed in a bunch."
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"Therefore, Custer personally and those with him were probably the very first ones to fall in the day, and Calhoun and Keogh, taken on both flanks, jammed in between two galling fires and numerous cross fires, and with all possible avenues of escape cut off, had nothing else to do but fight it out in line until the last trooper had fallen in his tracks.


Very cool - keep at it!

[johnson1941]

Can you post that Barry photo from post 1?

[herosrest]

^Ducemus

Joomed copy from site app, and page image from app. As you zoom in, you gain detail in zoom. If that makes sense. If you wanted the highest resolution available from the site app, then it's save and stitch them together.

Were you having trouble with the link?

[herosrest]

^Ducemus

Zoomed copy from the site app, and page image from app. As you zoom in, you gain detail in zoom. If that makes sense. If you wanted the highest resolution available from the site app, then it's save and stitch them together.

Were you having trouble with the link? click -

Men in row shooting rifles at 'Custer Battlefield'

[herosrest]

^Ducemus

[herosrest]

^{Pladeuskrueken}

It's best if it is blown up.

Back soon, there's loud voices and knocking at the door.

OK...... All a big misunderstanding.

You could get a 20 feet across image for the wall, if you wanted.

[Yan Taylor]

Might be the bailiffs

Ian

[herosrest]

^Ducemus

Nope, we have a terrorist on the loose running around London.

[herosrest]

^Ducemus

I'll be upfront about terrain matching this image. This was done for 'Where Custer Fell' and Richard A. Fox jumped onboard using the west side, cemetery area to bolster and justify what romped on to be Cliff Nelson's inspiration.

However,I can match the terrain to other nearby locations, including that offered. Distant terrain features repeat themselves throughout the entire horizon to east, west, north and south. Those in the background of the Keogh area image, match to the terrain behind and to the NNW. They really, really, do.

[johnson1941]

dont see a link to that photo.

[herosrest]

^Ducemus

OK,

Men in row shooting rifles at 'Custer Battlefield'

In the writing above, move your cursor to the middle of the consecutive 'O's in the phrase, and click.