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Post by montrose on Oct 6, 2022 13:07:14 GMT -5
I see that the LBH association forums have been deleted. This is a good thing, as it was filled with thousands of false posts, lying about evidence to support very radical, and impossible, theories. But I wonder why the association has not explained why they deleted their own board.
I am aware that the moderator of that board fled to Thailand to avoid criminal prosecution for his 30 years of criminal behavior. Did that play a role? But the LBHA was fully informed of this behavior, I had discussions with their leadership about this issue. They knew.
With their board gone, is there any reason for the LBHA to exist? I believe it is time for a new association, dedicated to truth, not agendas. The current LBHA is full of bad actors, con artists, convicted felons, thieves, sex offenders. The problem is the folks who are not criminals aided and abetted those who were. I believe the current LBHA should publicly apologize for their bad behavior. They are responsible for kicking this board off their site, and creating the liar board. They are complicit in every lie, distortion, fabricated evidence on their own board. They are responsible for every crime their moderator committed. I regard the leadership of the LBHA as filthy scum. They knew.
v/r
Montrose
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Post by tubman13 on Oct 6, 2022 13:52:58 GMT -5
Amen, I guess, regarding content and agenda. There are numerous good people in the association. I was banned from that board due to confrontation with moderator. You can guess what I threatened to post, if he did not play fair, with posters. Can you say peep walk? Have not been on there since 2016. Have not missed it. I've never enjoyed one sided, fan boy heaven.
Sadly the head knocker of the LBH Association, 2 administrations ago, robbed them of in excess of $50,000.00, he also robbed another association.
Diane and her husband left that organization way back.She has done a marvelous job here and American Tribes.
Regards,
Tom
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Post by noggy on Oct 8, 2022 7:28:57 GMT -5
It's really strange the way is has been dismantled too; checking in now there are still posts there, the "latest" being from Oct 21. (I assume we are talking about thelbha.proboards.com/)I have NO idea about criminal actions or anything like that, i originally signed up there by mistake since I got confused between it and this forum ,which I had stalked or years before deciding to sign up. The handling of the forum, as in how the Moderator would force his own interpretations into texts as if the were facts, were alone enough for me to leave. Never quite gotten my head around all the conflicts between and inside different people and associations. I know a little from what some people here have told me, and something tells me that's enough. All the best, Noggy |
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Post by Yan Taylor on Oct 8, 2022 7:57:18 GMT -5
It was full of deborchery Geir, sealed with a corrective yellow pen.
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Post by noggy on Oct 8, 2022 11:25:07 GMT -5
It was full of deborchery Geir, sealed with a corrective yellow pen. Don't you mean a yellow ribbon...? Oh, the humor is immense here! Geir |
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Post by montrose on Oct 8, 2022 11:58:30 GMT -5
It was full of deborchery Geir, sealed with a corrective yellow pen. Don't you mean a yellow ribbon...? Oh, the humor is immense here! Geir The moderator of that board was the official face of the LBHA for 20 years. He was the lead for kicking this board off the LBHA and creating the fabrication board. His standard method was to post true testimony from witnesses and delete words that did not support his lunacy, and add fake testimony that did. I do not mean once or twice, he had 10000 posts. My awakening moment was the criminal moderator posting a sentence fragment supporting a false theory on Battle Ridge. Then poster AZranger, Benteeneast posted the entire sentence, which showed this event happened in the valley. It was then that I realized the convicted sex offender was so devoted to his theories that he deliberately lied. I joined this board after a lengthy hospital stay in a VA hospital, where they had a book on LBH fight, I was just curious. I have led platoons, ODAs, companies in combat, but my Bn command was in USAREC. I just wondered how would I do, following the training I had received. had no agenda. Ummm, Fred, STeve, Ian, Noggy, tubman: I regard as fellow travelers. I cane here for a discussion among ladies and gentlemen, folks who treated each other with dignity and respect. What I got was the LBH association, where their board of directors and leadership were, and are, scum. SO Rini deleted the LBHA message board. Ummm, WHy have they not reinstated this board as the true board for that association? Because they knew. Bortles crimes, the whole Merkel persecution, the Rini agenda, and 2 other criminals I am not sure I can state here, ongoing investigations. My intent when I started posted here was to encourage rational discussions. And then everything got twisted. I would like to restart agenda fee discussions on this board. I just do not know how to do that. There is a 20 minute perios of LTC Custer at 3411 as he watched the valley force go from offence to defence, and decided to abandon the Reno detachment and order the trailing BNs to follow him. It is fascinating to look at what he saw, and what he decided. I tried to get Fred to go deep on this issue in his book, but he hesitated. Please look carefully at Fred's timeline in these 20 minutes. By the way, Fred, I was, and am, right in my analysis. Prove me wrong. |
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Post by Yan Taylor on Oct 9, 2022 3:13:11 GMT -5
Hi William, where does your info come from regarding Custer watching Reno fighting in the valley, some sources say that from the point Reno dismounts to skirmish to the point that he breaks out from the timber is about half an hour, so if Custer hung around for twenty, he would have known that Reno was in trouble, plus what was the column doing in that twenty minute period.
Martini said the column moved on the jump all the way, so they would haveckeft Custer well behind.
Good to see you back.
Ian
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Post by montrose on Oct 11, 2022 14:30:54 GMT -5
Ian,
I have some 50 odd posts on this issue. To make things simple, how about we use Fred's timeline. Problem is the 20000 posts on this over a 20 year period disappeared when the LBHS erased their official, blessed, authoritave, pedophile board. So let's just follow Strategy of Defeat book, for discussion. I f you want to get into minute by minute, and other issue, I have enormous disagreements with Wagner. But I regard him as a friend, regardless.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Oct 12, 2022 9:32:16 GMT -5
Hi William.
It is good that posters can have disagreements with each other and not fall out. I have known you and Fred for well over a decade and even though we are not on the same page on some issues, I still count you both as friends.
If Custer was riding fast across the bluffs, which happened because many dropped out, then I would guess that he may have only rode to 3411 for a brief glimpse before rejoining the column.
If I remember AZ rode part of the route to MTC, and ended up making a trail down middle coulee and up to luce ridge, he GPS his route and it was directly mirrored the cartridge finds found along those ridges, which is pretty amazing.
Ian
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Post by montrose on Oct 13, 2022 11:47:51 GMT -5
Hi William. It is good that posters can have disagreements with each other and not fall out. I have known you and Fred for well over a decade and even though we are not on the same page on some issues, I still count you both as friends. If Custer was riding fast across the bluffs, which happened because many dropped out, then I would guess that he may have only rode to 3411 for a brief glimpse before rejoining the column. If I remember AZ rode part of the route to MTC, and ended up making a trail down middle coulee and up to luce ridge, he GPS his route and it was directly mirrored the cartridge finds found along those ridges, which is pretty amazing. Ian Ian, I think the prearranged agenda folks are gone now, mostly in jail or disgrace. Let us be clear, this is not because of differences in opinions, please check the felony convictions. How about we return to our roots: a group of colleagues discussing a hobby? Once upon a time, if someone had a flaky theory, (like North to Suth), the rest of us would help that person frame evidence, skills, assumptions, constraint, limitations, etc to create a decent discussion. I became, and remain, flabbergasted at creating, and using, known, proven fake evidence to support flaky views (the North to south argument). Now I had very long arguments with Harper back in the day, where he finally told me he wanted more discussion about the battle, words to the effect he didnt believe in that theory at all. I liked Gordon, he was a decent human being. I appreciate his contribution to a group of friends. As an academic: Come on Man, that was not his intent. So if you are a tin hat conspiracy clown, like the jackass who keeps pushing the finley finckle survivor theory, I mean get out of here. This guy knew he was lying, you remember we had a deceased poster here who proved that was false, 100 years after it was known to be false. Vastly amused some jackass who never served in the army and got drunk and claimed he was an LBH survivor at a FREAKING bowling alley, has con artists pushing his agenda. So how about we go discussing this as friends? ..... I am just saying,.... Very Respectfully, William In 2012 I was asked to support a Veterans Administration claim for two men who claimed PTSD for actoins with Special Forces Operational Detachment 316 (Umm, we changed how we number teams so today would be 3116). One of the sworn statements involved an incompeteent and evil ODA commander, who was clearly me. This jackass was 14 when I left command of that team. The other guy jad served 2 months in the Navy and chaptered out. |
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Post by Yan Taylor on Oct 14, 2022 0:43:53 GMT -5
Well William, I agree and share a similar view to you. I got some awful raps off some of the seasoned so called experts when I first joined, it almost stopped me from posting but I thought, WTF, I will still air my views and still ask awkward questions.
When I found that these boards where a minefield, I went into a yolo moment, and quizzed everything thing so I could separate the wheat from the chaff, that gave me a good indication of you was worth asking and debating with, I stayed clear of the fools and bully.
The three main aspects I stick too in regards the north/south move are, why would Custer, who BTW, was a man of action, halt on a insignificant ridge line and leave 120 men behind.
The Cheyenne accounts are a good indication of events past LSH, and finally we have Wolftooth and JSIT accounts.
I saw quite a few similarities in both Ford b and d, the topography and actions are quite similar and could payout in a similar way too.
Most of the souix accounts come later after they routed Reno, by that time the custer battalion was fragmenting.
Ian
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Post by noggy on Oct 14, 2022 7:06:10 GMT -5
The three main aspects I stick too in regards the north/south move are, why would Custer, who BTW, was a man of action, halt on a insignificant ridge line and leave 120 men behind. Yet it is possible to come up with several explanations. That does not mean the reason(s) seem good or sound today. Like I wrote to you in a PM; Imagine there were no survivors on the US side, and say the NAs refused to tell their side of the story. We'd have to for the first 100 years or so, until metal detectors and archaeology "showed up", try to make sense of the battle and GAC's dispositions based on where the bodies were found. Jesus Christ, can you imagine??  There is NO WAY anyone who sat down afterwards and tried to present a logical step-ny-step of what happened would have been able to get very clsoe to what we know, is my guess. Geir |
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Post by montrose on Oct 14, 2022 8:59:24 GMT -5
I am glad that we are talking as colleagues again. Let us discuss opinions with dignity and respect for one another.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Oct 14, 2022 15:07:12 GMT -5
I concure William, I have never ever fell out with anyone concerning this battle, this battle is a discussion point and thats all.
Its like all military history as war aint pretty but is really interesting.
Ian
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Post by Yan Taylor on Oct 14, 2022 15:12:34 GMT -5
My intent when I started posted here was to encourage rational discussions. And then everything got twisted. I would like to restart agenda fee discussions on this board. I just do not know how to do that. There is a 20 minute perios of LTC Custer at 3411 as he watched the valley force go from offence to defence, and decided to abandon the Reno detachment and order the trailing BNs to follow him. It is fascinating to look at what he saw, and what he decided. I tried to get Fred to go deep on this issue in his book, but he hesitated. Please look carefully at Fred's timeline in these 20 minutes. To get back to your question William, the only explination which I recall over the twenty minute wait near 3411 was that Custer paused the column to wait for Cooke and Keogh to catch up, they had detached and went to give orders to Reno, during this pause Custer went to 3411 for a look see. Now I cant rember the person who written this, but I have not heard anything about this pause from Martini, he said that he was behind the General all the way and they moved pon the jump (fast). Ian |
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There is NO WAY anyone who sat down afterwards and tried to present a logical step-ny-step of what happened would have been able to get very clsoe to what we know, is my guess.