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Post by noggy on Sept 6, 2018 10:59:23 GMT -6
Quick question:
What did Sheridan think about Terry and Gibbon uniting forces? It wasn`t a part of the "plan" and was a pretty big move.
I`m guessing he would be a little annoyed?
Or?
All the best,
Noggy
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Post by benteen on Sept 6, 2018 13:27:23 GMT -6
Quick question: What did Sheridan think about Terry and Gibbon uniting forces? It wasn`t a part of the "plan" and was a pretty big move. I`m guessing he would be a little annoyed? Or? All the best, Noggy Hi Noggy, I dont think Sheridan would have a problem with Terry. I believe when you send someone 500 miles away on a mission you allow or not just allow but expect him to assess and evaluate the situation and come up with the best way to accomplish that mission. However...... I think he may have had some harsh words for Crook. He had the largest contingent in this campaign and after an encounter with the Indians he abandoned the mission, went back to Goose Creek and went fishing. He just simply left the theater of operations. Be Well Dan |
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Post by noggy on Sept 6, 2018 16:04:02 GMT -6
Quick question: What did Sheridan think about Terry and Gibbon uniting forces? It wasn`t a part of the "plan" and was a pretty big move. I`m guessing he would be a little annoyed? Or? All the best, Noggy Hi Noggy, I dont think Sheridan would have a problem with Terry. I believe when you send someone 500 miles away on a mission you allow or not just allow but expect him to assess and evaluate the situation and come up with the best way to accomplish that mission. However...... I think he may have had some harsh words for Crook. He had the largest contingent in this campaign and after an encounter with the Indians he abandoned the mission, went back to Goose Creek and went fishing. He just simply left the theater of operations. Be Well Dan Hello Benteen Sheridan`s plan was 3 columns searching for the Indians. Terry and Gibbon, at least claimed some places, had agreed to meet up already early on. Not sure about the specifics here or if true, with the Gibbon column marching of much earlier. But still not in tact with Sheridan`s plan. Unless he was fine with it, trusting in the officers. As for Crook, I agree. 6-7 weeks or what it was at Goose Creek seems very unlike him and one of few instances I can recall where he didn`t deliver. All the best, Noggy |
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Post by Colt45 on Sept 6, 2018 18:33:44 GMT -6
Crook's mistake was in trying to move north too fast. He left behind many of his supplies and mounted infantry on mules in order to move faster. He should have brought all his supplies with him and traveled slower if necessary. This would have allowed him to stay in the combat area after the battle of the Rosebud, instead of exhausting almost all his ammo in that fight and having to withdraw back to Goose Creek. If he had been able to stay in the combat area and continue northward, he might have been in the area when Custer arrived at LBH, and that would have perhaps prevented Custer from running off on his own. With Crook in the immediate area, he would have been compelled to coordinate with Crook prior to any attack. I don't think Crook would have sent an inferior force up the bluffs given the size of the village.
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Post by tubman13 on Sept 7, 2018 7:20:28 GMT -6
Noggy,
Well let's look at this in a different way. Where should have Sheridan's wrath and ire been placed? Maybe GAC, he was after all Phil's boy.
1.Custer goes to the head waters of the Tongue, as per orders. Finds the Rosebud battlefield, then turns to the LBH. What happens?
2.Benteen follows his orders and continues to the LBH valley as ordered, Martini never finding him. Those orders were issued by GAC. What happens?
3.Crook should have sent scouts to find Gibbon/Terry/Custer after the Rosebud action and appraise them of the situation. Some have said Crook would not know where they were. Not true, his Crow scouts came from the same Crow stock/village that Gibbon's did and Gibbon had is scouts first. The scouts would have had an approximate location.
Sheridan would have had much to be annoyed with to include his own less than specific orders to field commanders.
By the way Noggy, Gibbon was already in Terry's chain of command and reported to him as part of the Dakota military district.
Regards,
Tom
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Post by yarnnelg on Jun 7, 2020 18:50:27 GMT -6
I still have a problem with Crook. 1,000 troops plus scouts. He sees the new Crazy Horse tactics first hand. Those Indians rode from LBH to Rosebud, 50 miles and attacked. Outnumbered and out gunned. They didn't run, did not scatter, they concentrated their assault where Crazy Horse directed them. Crook expends over 26,000 rounds and kills only 40, 50, 60? The Indians left the field, both sides claim victory. Crooks losses were low. Send for supplies and plan to send the wounded home. He had a job to do and left Custer high and dry. Crook was early! Plenty of time to regroup.
When Custer arrives at LBH, he is facing Indians that will not run. They had already proven themselves at Rosebud. Crook went Fishing.
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