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Post by montrose on Jul 17, 2017 10:34:48 GMT -6
1. I established this thread to discuss the book Small Wars, and tactics of this era. I was forced to do so because of the LBHA organization. Their official, designated spokesman runs another web forum that is there official forum, and represents that organizations official view point.
2. The problem is that the official theory of the battle of the LBHA, as explained in thousands of their posts from their spokesman, is based on thousands of errors. I do not care about errors of opinion, or empiricism. I care about errors of fact. The LBHA depends heavily on easily disproven falsehoods. It is basically a Flat Earth Society.
3. In particular, the LBHA tries to claim that gross tactical errors were actually tactically sound. This is nonsense, and has been disproved thousands of times. Here are so called facts the LBHA has posted in last 2 days.
a. Supporting distance between 1876 companies is 4 miles. It is 300 meters. The stated proof was Army of the Potomac supporting range for Corps. Not a single member of the LBHA official board knew that an Army Corps of 3 divisions, some 3-500 companies, had a larger support range than a half strength single company. Not a bloody peep.
b. LTC Custer supported the valley fight. Again, no poster on the LBHA official website challenges this.
(1) Range. Support is defined by being within 4 miles. This is false. It is a bold faced lie to anyone trained in military or police tactics. This is why the official LBHA needs to disband. How do you argue with a theory that is completely false.
(2) LTC Custer sent an order to the 3 supporting battalions explaining the regimental plan converting the regimental attack in the valley to something else.
(3) LTC supported the advanced guard attack, by ordering the Reno and McDougall battalions to support the valley attack. The orders to the trailing battalions specifically ordered them not to enter the valley, but to move into the badlands. No one on the LBHA official forums has noticed or challenged this.
(4) LTC Custer's actions after Ford D was part of a cunning tactic. He intended to support the advanced guard by heading in the exact opposite direction, to draw Indians away from the advanced guard. The Indians in the valet were miles away and had no way of knowing what the scattered main body was doing. The Indians Custer was facing were a completely different force, focused on the main body with no idea of what was happening in the valley. Anyone trained in tactics by the military would know this is not just wrong, but insanely, crazy wrong. No PLDC grad would be so ignorant and out of touch with reality. Not a single member of the official LBHA site has challenged this.
I could go on, but you get the point. The LBHA is a broken organization that needs to disband.
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jan 6, 2018 10:35:33 GMT -6
After attending their meetings my impression is that it is more a Custer oriented group rather than a Little Big Horn oriented association . If the group wants to survive it should include all interested in the players that come together at the Little Bighorn battle in my opinion.
Regards
AZ Ranger
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Post by dave on Jan 6, 2018 11:57:43 GMT -6
Pequod Obviously you are seeking to be Ishmal for this thread and I admire your desire. Castigating a poster for a grammar faux pas and ignoring the content of the post is short sighted on your part. As I am not an English major I have no idea if a "felony" was committed or not.
Won't you comment on the content of the thread and share your opinion of montrose's analysis of the LBHA board moderator's opinions on the Small War's thread? We have before us a professional soldier versus a high school history teacher presenting their reasoning. Might we over look any perceived grammatical error in the reading of the post?
I spent 27 years working at a major university and saw and experienced all the minor tweaking and adjusting of papers, rules, regulations and policies. Let not this board drop to that level!
This is a golden opportunity for you to share your experience and knowledge of this battle and its participants we us and join in the discussion instead of sitting on the sidelines pointing out any all minor errors as you see them. Won't you jump in and test the waters? Regards Dave
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jan 6, 2018 14:09:27 GMT -6
montrose, "I care about errors of fact" Your words, montrose, and please tell me what an "error of fact" is, in fact. If you combine error and fact in one sentence, you are, in effect, compounding a grammatical felony, and it's no wonder why you are not taken seriously. Regards, Pequod Fake News is an "error of fact" There are errors of fact and errors of law Here is one attorney example of each: If the umpire calls you out on two strikes, that is an error of law. If the umpire thinks the ball is over the plate and it isn't, that is an error of fact. Regards AZ Ranger
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Post by dave on Jan 6, 2018 16:43:25 GMT -6
Pequod God love ya we are using idiomatic English, plain and simple to understand for all posters, members and guests to discuss the Battle of the LBH and its participants. I fully realize that I fail to use proper English often and yet I can comprehend much of what I read and hear. Faulkner was able to express his stories despite many grammatical errors.
If you are awaiting and reading only; "...an argument in coherent and idiomatic English, regardless of the content of the message, why should I waste my time and yours, in pointing out the errors of commission and omission in a given reference of history regarding the LBH battle, or any other battle, for that matter." Then you have a very small selection of reading material available to peruse. But that is OK 'cause I like you any way.
Now to the important part of this missive: Are they any coffee? Regards Dave
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jan 7, 2018 8:20:44 GMT -6
I think a lot has to do with the world we live in either written or verbal formats. Your and you're sound the same. In my business you have to put your written report into a program called Spillman in its generic form. We also have word processor's that corrects the grammar and spelling. If you write a report it is first filtered by software and then checked and approved before it can be printed. Seems to me the written language has to many exceptions that never come up in the face to face communications.
The majority of my job time is verbal and so we take courses such as verbal judo and interview and interrogation.
When you go to court the neither the judge or jury sees the report and the officer can only use it to refresh his/her memory. The trial is a verbal event for the officer and witnesses.
I think a great skill is to be able to understand what someone means regardless of spelling or grammar. I don't recall ever stating "Sir did you mean your or you're?" so I can understand the context. Maybe if you have an issue try reading it out loud and eliminate some of the problems.
Let's not stifle content of the majority of us posters. If you're smart enough to have memorized grammar and spelling rules then you should be smart enough to discern what someone posts.
Regards
AZ Ranger
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Post by noggy on Jan 7, 2018 10:18:43 GMT -6
Well, I seldom write in English even though I quite often speak it, so I`m the first guy kicked out if the grammar police strikes :S
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Post by dave on Jan 7, 2018 21:11:21 GMT -6
Noggy I supposedly can speak and write in English but you are better expressing yourself in print than I do. Pequod is a hoot because he has more fun using syntax and a vocabulary to tease and joust with like I do when I go bare-butt bank fishing in the Spring for Bream. It is an acquired taste just like potted meat, sardines and crackers with a Coke for lunch. Regards Dave
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jan 8, 2018 5:18:23 GMT -6
Gentlemen, I would rather go to sea with a ship that doesn't have leaks then with a ship that won't stay afloat because someone couldn't discern the difference between your and you're. But, if the difference makes no difference, then "you're" not ready for Prime Time...! Pequod I think you miss the point P. Writing has very little to with a world full of verbal contacts. I think the Prime Time guys don't write much. Someone does that for them. So the Prime Time guy makes the big bucks and the teleprompter guy a fraction of the Prime Time salary. Regards AZ Ranger
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Post by noggy on Jan 8, 2018 7:21:20 GMT -6
Noggy I supposedly can speak and write in English but you are better expressing yourself in print than I do. Pequod is a hoot because he has more fun using syntax and a vocabulary to tease and joust with like I do when I go bare-butt bank fishing in the Spring for Bream. It is an acquired taste just like potted meat, sardines and crackers with a Coke for lunch. Regards Dave Dave Well that`s not true but thank you. I`m happy if I`m understood! It`s good to refresh my written English. I`m a Grammar Nazi as we call it when it comes to my own language, so I get it. As long as I get some slack, of course. And sardines are not to be trifled with!
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Post by dave on Jan 8, 2018 11:31:40 GMT -6
It is so refreshing to post threads and thoughts that might be of different opinions and beliefs without rancor. Prior to being banned from posting and logging on another board I found it to be very intense and distressing to express any comment that might be understood to be a criticism of Custer. Of course this was before I was diagnosed as a "Troll" with no known cure except banishment!
I find it enjoyable to discuss the LBH and its factions here with courtesy and politeness even with different thoughts and ideas. The information exchanged here is very detailed and informative to me as I am very weak on my knowledge of this battle. Regards Dave PS If we could only get Pequod to express himself in the correct dialect or patois as related to South of the Mason-Dixon Line
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Post by herosrest on Jan 11, 2018 10:37:53 GMT -6
Gentlemen, I would rather go to sea with a ship that doesn't have leaks then with a ship that won't stay afloat because someone couldn't discern the difference between your and you're. But, if the difference makes no difference, then "you're" not ready for Prime Time...! Pequod You're your yaw. Apply the 'n'. Click the smiley's. First person singular. Second person. The third person is usually tiny at first. Seven down (nine letters) Cussing Custer.
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Post by montrose on Jan 20, 2018 9:21:36 GMT -6
Robb is a troll, who seeks emotional reactions. He has never had a post of any substance on these boards. He has never made a single contribution to this board, or to anything; in his life.
He is just Sideshow Robb; which proves Darwinism is evolution in action. An error in the genetic development of the human race.
My thesis and several papers have been posted on this board. Where is yours, muttonhead? Go back to the other board, where you belong.
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jan 20, 2018 9:59:03 GMT -6
Good to see alive William. I have been trying to call but you don't answer and messages are full.
Regards
Steve
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Post by benteen on Jan 20, 2018 15:00:56 GMT -6
Col Montrose/Richard
Good to see old friends are alive and well, and active again. Hope all is well with you gentlemen.
Be Well Dan
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