Herendeen, Reno and Half Yellow Face on the ridge. When?

[magpie]

I tried to see if I could find an old post but failed except across the divide in that other world: the ASSoc. This tribes "moderator Administrator" has done a good job of collecting most witness accounts ( "When did Herendeen's group arrive on the bluffs" in LBH Assoc.)  but applies  "Time" not defined {as to Mountain Standard etc  but I suspect most of you know, but I don't}} and mix of fact with interpretation. Left out is Varnum who with "shovel in hand" (from the pack train, in the hands of a detail)  passed Herendeen and "troop" on the way down to burry Lt. Hodgson. Herendeen is immediately ushered to Reno to translate Half Yellow Face's observations of the Village. This put's Herendeen South of the "moderator Administrator"'s idea. I also recall aa indian scout, I think crow, helping a group of soldiers some without pants ( the old theory is you can't swim with pants thus the navy bell bottoms ) and this account is also left out of ASSoc "moderator Administrator"'s synopsis but may be in keeping with his/hers location.

Anyway can someone bring this meeting into focus.

Did anyone say when shovels became available? Remember 2 fast ammunition mules led the pack train perhaps shovels for digging in were tied on top. A shovel would also be usefull to pry the ammunition crates open as happened to one.

I scanned the web site with the RCOI and couldn't find but perhaps it's there or somewhere in the hundred's of accounts.

Anyone have the references for what Reno did after this meeting?

It seems to me Reno was most affected by the loss of Hodgson.

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Ducemus
Obviously, Herendeen met Reno when Reno went for a drink of water. Half Yellow then met the Crow scout leader who had not ascended the bluffs t that time and they spent a good couple of hours shouting at one another to no avail because they were all deaf.

Alternately, since Reno did not advance with the advance to Weir's Peaks (Edgerley Peak) and to MTC, he may have stood at 3411 and seen tepees being moved. That is, tepees being taken down. If Herendeen and Half Yellow Face were present then, when Two Moon stopped the tepees being dismantled then something is wrong with time lines. Also, there were dust clouds and lots of firing reported by Black Elk down near the Santee camps, the exodus to West as over, officers on the bluff saw Custer fighting in the village, and Reno obviously concluded that his nightmare was.................. running away down the valley.

Alternately, Herendeen arrived less than 15 minutes before the advance after Custer pulled back and interpreted to Reno about a pretty racy tepee dance underway in celebration of a stunning and quite brilliant victory over his regiment. According to Capt. Henry B. Freeman of the 7th, Sioux but probably Cheyennes, came up and showed Reno his regimental flag, it may as likely have been Custer's Battle Flag. Which ever it was, Reno declined the offer to go and get it back. It took a while for that detail of events to emerge.... about a hundred years. The primary source is Herendeen's RCoI testimony where more is less and vice a versa because of course no one understood the time of the place until they did and Wallace was recalled to explain it and did so by stating that it wasn't the time of the place. Therefore it became the time on Pluto.

Alternately, bear in mind that Herendeen's pre-RCoI accounts of his fight and the battle formed a significant basis of time estimates made by Whittaker in his excellent and very modest book about the Civil War, and Herendeen's time estimates were round and hairy. That does not though excuse Reno standing on his hill, watching the tepees being taken down and thanking his luck that the village was RUNNING AWAY. Sorry, Brig. Gen.... they ran away! Nothing I could do about it..... the mules were thirsty. So was I. Benteen and Gibbon were late. Terry did not know what he was doing. Can I have a promotion please in lieu of seniority, 7th Cavalry are short a Lt. Col. and I am perfectly qualified with immense experience and a determination to make this the finest regiment that ever marched to battle.

At the time Reno saw the village running away, Custer's companies were arrayed on the ridge where Two moon saw them deploy and the horses 'be' led over the hill. In fact, that was when the tepees started going back up again although they may then have come down again. Quite the tepee dance. Obviously some of the Hunkpapa joined in to prevent fire spreading to their quarter and others probably dabbled a little DiY to repair poles shot up by carbine fire. All the time, poor old Foolish Elk was sat there in his tepee entrance, gun in hand, chanting his death dirge and abandoned due to immobility from wounds suffered on Rosebud. He watched the battle across the river, saw the head of the column wiped out, etc... etc.... Damn fine read it is. Mind you, he had a half decent view from the distant Brule camp. That furthest west from the river. of course there was lots of dust and it did obscure the very brief end of the fight. Oddly also........ beaver build dams and fell trees to do so. Why don't they just build tepees? Obviously - they cannot catch buffalo.

There were a couple of old posts that may have held relevance but termites finished them off. Elevations on the bottom were such that the tepee tops could be viewed beyond the timber from the eastern flats. Little Sioux who saw the end of Custer's fight before leaving for Powder River. Bill Cross went with him They returned along the bluffs - the last occasion when they could see the battleground, as Edgerley led Company D forward after Capt. Weir caused Reno to recall him. There were an awful lot of deaf officers at LBH. Copy correcting 'typo'. There were an awful lot of dead officers at LBH. I believe that Varnum met Cross, so.... there may be a confusion of confusions or not but if not, since Cross may have entertained a little scalping, then.... we know.



Modern research parameters of the event will demand at least seven loosely related time-lines based upon river volume, leg length of reversing mules and the density of summer cottonwood used to produce tepee poles of sufficient strength to trail free behind ponies when under load consistent with the mass of seventeen buffalo skins. Regardless of anything else, Reno saw the Sioux running away from him.

[magpie]

Are you trying to say Reno had gathered all the grain and all the large water containers and was letting things ferment while he lined up empty cartridges and soldered them together in Fred's solar furnace to make the tubing for his still?

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Ducemus

Are we talking Copperhead Road?

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