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Post by Yan Taylor on May 4, 2015 4:12:19 GMT -6
Looking at the “military parade, Custer battlefield” photo below posted by herosrest; shows what Custer’s battalion would have looked like as it moved over the bluffs, down the coulees and onto battle ridge. You could imagine that the front group could be the RHQ, with E company following, then we have another three companies in line (F, I & L) and C company last in line and yet to appear over the ridge. So if you ever want to know just what Custer's men looked like after they moved right and over the bluffs, then this would be pretty much on the money. Sorry it is a bit small, but to see it fully use HRs link. Ian.
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Post by herosrest on May 4, 2015 5:51:18 GMT -6
DucemusBeth Very true and relevant to the politics and personal impetus imbued to understanding of events. As knowledge has blossomed across time, so has the direction of interpretations by the various interests which shape the history and each generations use of it. There was a watershed with Woodstock and the aspiring hopes of a new generation who wanted a new world. This was not dissimilar to mood of the population in 1876, which was forward looking and had tired of past struggles and their cost. Almost a 100 years later and there was the revolution of attitude and aspirations that brought Woodstock and the dream of peace and love............. It was a time of immense confusion. This got me thinking, so I knocked up some numbers in response to the idea of agreement between the various parties (or tribes if you prefer). The village stretched for miles (perhaps four) along the valley. This was true but wasn't and at any given time existed in an area of less than one square mile. The large village is at the heart of immense contortions of Custer's fight because of assumption that the crossing place below Last Stand Hill and Deep Coulee Ravine, played a significant part in the fight and with Custer's thinking and development of his tactics. It did not and this was completely understood by those who studied the fight after relieving the siege. books.google.co.uk/books?id=5IzU1liIYOUC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=falseRegards.
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Post by herosrest on May 4, 2015 6:02:17 GMT -6
Looking at the “military parade, Custer battlefield” photo below posted by herosrest; shows what Custer’s battalion would have looked like as it moved over the bluffs, down the coulees and onto battle ridge. You could imagine that the front group could be the RHQ, with E company following, then we have another three companies in line (F, I & L) and C company last in line and yet to appear over the ridge. View AttachmentSo if you ever want to know just what Custer's men looked like after they moved right and over the bluffs, then this would be pretty much on the money. Sorry it is a bit small, but to see it fully use HRs link. Ian. DucemusThe columns of twos are marching up from below the old stone house, around the National Cemetary and along Battle Ridge's western flank in going towards Deep Coulee. That is the idea of the foray into terrain of the northern fords has been well practiced and continues with historians today, despite NO archaeolgy to back it up but rather some insane excuses from experts pushing pet opinion. Those fords were not identified by anyone who studied the ground in June 1876 and grew into myth through the succesive early poor studies of events. The premise underlying the concept is flawed thus. Deep Ravine and beyond played some significant part in the battle. That is not so and simply put, at close of fighting and flight from destruction - that was the only place left to run. It didn't work out for them because Sitting Bull was sitting opposite across the river, guarding the families. The only fords of significance to Custer's attack were those at the mouth of MTC and Deep Coulee which were and are continuously confused as the same place because of the history of naming conventions and utter sillyness in desire to muddy the waters. There is an immense desire by some in love with LBH to prove at any cost, the lower fords theory and launch an immense rebuttal of defence of Reno and Benteen for not supporting Custer. The ploy underway, eventually generates opinion that Custer repeated his tactics at Washita with 4 battalions attacking from the Cardinal Points. I happen to believe this but there is not one shred of proof.
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Post by herosrest on May 4, 2015 6:11:32 GMT -6
DucemusThere is Livermore's map of the battle but what did he know.....
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Post by AZ Ranger on May 4, 2015 7:30:42 GMT -6
What did you point out about Ash Coulee?
Where do you think that picture was taken?
AZ Ranger
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Post by herosrest on May 6, 2015 7:11:21 GMT -6
DucemusI am going to refer to a quoted expert on this, if you do not mind. thelbha.proboards.com/post/37197I have to agree with clw in that the evidence described should include more ground disturbance to indicate a village. Seems to me the evidence is consistent with a burial location. Bill I think there would have to be an assumption that anyone knew the terrain in the direction that Benteen was sent. Even the scouts that had been in the vicinity probably never went that direction rather moved down the easier and well traveled Reno Creek. By the way Ash Creek flows into the Rosebud at Busby on a current Montana map and there is another just north of the battlefield and flows into Tullock. Seems a common name for a creek and certainly not definitive to location. Seems to be less confusion with Reno Creek, South Fork Reno Creek, and North Fork Reno Creek. I understand that some find it offensive to use Reno for any reason but on a single page map of the Montana road atlas there are 3 Ash Creeks and 1 Ash Coulée. Two of Ash Creeks are in the vicinity of the approach and battlefield. So I don't buy the idea that the Indians named it Ash Creek as unique determinant. Rather it would seem common to call a Creek with Ash trees in it Ash Creek and one would have to know the context or adjacent terrain to make a determination of the location. Another similar use of a word naming a creek is dry it appears quite often. In Arizona Lost tank could be anywhere. Benteeneast See - thelbha.proboards.com/post/37197There are many - One near Valley Town, mapcarta.com/23621084 and Ash Coulee school up near the mouth of the Tulloch and the Old Fort Pease. It seems that if they are Ash it is a Creek but Cedar grows in coulee. One is drawn to the Chalk bluffs. I think Curly was.
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Post by Yan Taylor on May 6, 2015 7:43:25 GMT -6
One is drawn to that eye on that duck, can't you change it for a nice Robin or something, maybe a Swan as that is the Queens bird. PS are you British? is so are you voting tomorrow and what do you think of Will and Kate's new baby.
Ian.
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Post by tubman13 on May 6, 2015 15:41:48 GMT -6
You want him to vote? Move to Baltimore!
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Post by herosrest on May 6, 2015 18:09:17 GMT -6
One is drawn to that eye on that duck, can't you change it for a nice Robin or something, maybe a Swan as that is the Queens bird. PS are you British? is so are you voting tomorrow and what do you think of Will and Kate's new baby. Ian. Ducemus The're ya go go! I wish the Royal's good fortune and plenty of rain but remain a staunch advocate of Godwinson. With our politics breaking the bipolar chain of us and them, I fear for turbulent times ahead as it simply becomes us and me in pursuit of greater perceived freedoms. The reality of today is serious issues which are taboo to our politically incorrect politicians and it is not going to go well unless common sense emerges in the way that happened in Scotland. The biggest problem on our horizon is the emergence of the EU into slow and degrading economic decline where the pack of wolves unite against their displeasures such as is taking place with Greece. Germany is a huge problem because they were given a huge free ride during the Cold War to emerge as the monster growing at the heart of freedom - again. The coalition did surprisingly well during this parliament but the spirit of doom and gloom has lifted and people hope for better reward going forward but times will remain tough because of quite fundamental errors in the previous three governments........ and they entirely screwed the pooch (with my support - never again). I truly fall to fits of laughter in the face of any who would lift Millipede in to power and cannot believe that such a cretin could lead a serious political endeavour. He is a sad joke. I hope he is not able to inflict that joke on the UK. A majority is a majority and unless we are sensible great change is arriving and it will not be for the better. I want no part of a nation run by the Milliband Brothers. Up theirs. It is the EU's Austrian (ostrich) economics which put the brake on global growth and keeps it firmly in place.
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Post by Yan Taylor on May 7, 2015 7:14:45 GMT -6
My god HR are you from London, if so you must be a rugby union man going by the Harlequin logo. better than the duck though.
I am current in the process of trying to decipher your post, as it is most cryptic and very Monty python-ish.
Ian.
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Post by AZ Ranger on May 7, 2015 10:16:07 GMT -6
DucemusI am going to refer to a quoted expert on this, if you do not mind. thelbha.proboards.com/post/37197I have to agree with clw in that the evidence described should include more ground disturbance to indicate a village. Seems to me the evidence is consistent with a burial location. Bill I think there would have to be an assumption that anyone knew the terrain in the direction that Benteen was sent. Even the scouts that had been in the vicinity probably never went that direction rather moved down the easier and well traveled Reno Creek. By the way Ash Creek flows into the Rosebud at Busby on a current Montana map and there is another just north of the battlefield and flows into Tullock. Seems a common name for a creek and certainly not definitive to location. Seems to be less confusion with Reno Creek, South Fork Reno Creek, and North Fork Reno Creek. I understand that some find it offensive to use Reno for any reason but on a single page map of the Montana road atlas there are 3 Ash Creeks and 1 Ash Coulée. Two of Ash Creeks are in the vicinity of the approach and battlefield. So I don't buy the idea that the Indians named it Ash Creek as unique determinant. Rather it would seem common to call a Creek with Ash trees in it Ash Creek and one would have to know the context or adjacent terrain to make a determination of the location. Another similar use of a word naming a creek is dry it appears quite often. In Arizona Lost tank could be anywhere. Benteeneast See - thelbha.proboards.com/post/37197There are many - One near Valley Town, mapcarta.com/23621084 and Ash Coulee school up near the mouth of the Tulloch and the Old Fort Pease. It seems that if they are Ash it is a Creek but Cedar grows in coulee. One is drawn to the Chalk bluffs. I think Curly was. Your still confusing me HR. That the use of Ash is found numerous times on Montana maps in close proximity to the battlefield tells us what? Regards AZ Ranger
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Post by AZ Ranger on May 7, 2015 10:29:27 GMT -6
HR your own presentation of Ash Coulee defeats your statement.
"As pointed out, here is an image of............... Ash Coulee. cdm15018.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p267301coll3/id/3696/rec/18"
If it is Reno Creek than I would not use the term Coulee to describe it.
Water availability and elevation determine the plant life.
Regards
AZ Ranger
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Post by quincannon on May 7, 2015 10:51:34 GMT -6
I don't much care if he votes Tom. Him breeding bothers me a great deal though. I not Huey, Dewey, Louie and Screwy enough for the world to bear?
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Post by herosrest on May 7, 2015 22:06:01 GMT -6
Ducemus The point was terrain naming convention confusions. Worse are modern military anachronism with plebian abbreviation and acronyms.
Anyways, raise your arms please all those having had children outside matrimony....
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Post by Yan Taylor on May 8, 2015 3:41:55 GMT -6
I see the ducks back, I suppose now you will be raising a glass seeing that Cameron has won. Scotland the brave eh, let them take their asses out of the houses of parliament and up to Holyrood were they can look after their own and leave the British government to sort out our own problems.
Ian.
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