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Post by Mike Powell on Feb 17, 2014 16:32:30 GMT -6
Further on 3411 or thereabouts, this video provides interesting views (the valley, Weir, upper Cedar Coulee, Sharpshooters' Ridge, etc., as well as a great deal of narrative. Can't vouch for any of this, but it's interesting. One question it raises for me is how in the heck at the distances involved anyone with Reno could have discerned a party on the bluffs with any certainty? www.youtube.com/watch?v=osCX0VJ4_UY
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Post by fred on Feb 17, 2014 17:24:14 GMT -6
What a great picture at the Divide. Do you have the month and year it was taken? That's really lush and green. Mike, June 2007. Around the 12th, I believe (my diaries are packed away). I was there in May 2006, and my pictures are very much like the one you just posted: dull and dry landscape. I suspect that is what greeted Custer. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by AZ Ranger on Feb 18, 2014 6:16:05 GMT -6
At the divide June 2010 Attachments:
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Post by alfakilo on Feb 18, 2014 10:20:03 GMT -6
Further on 3411 or thereabouts, this video provides interesting views (the valley, Weir, upper Cedar Coulee, Sharpshooters' Ridge, etc., as well as a great deal of narrative. Can't vouch for any of this, but it's interesting. One question it raises for me is how in the heck at the distances involved anyone with Reno could have discerned a party on the bluffs with any certainty? www.youtube.com/watch?v=osCX0VJ4_UYHere is a link to all of Custer Apollo's videos...I'll leave his commentaries for others to judge, but I have found the videos to provide an excellent panorama of the battlefield. AK www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7950A1D9CA754945
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Post by fred on Feb 18, 2014 10:42:59 GMT -6
Andy,
I agree with you about this fellow, Apollo. I have seen only a couple of his videos, but from what I have seen, they are quite well done. He has done a nice job. I would love to know who he is and meet him.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Feb 18, 2014 10:57:56 GMT -6
Fred, I have known of Custer Apollo since before I joined this board, he says his name is Bill Smith, and I have tried in the past to find his E-Mail address but to no avail, he must know of our board, I found it easy enough, so either he walks among us under a different guise or he wants to remain a man of mystery, so Bill Smith if you are out there please join this site.
Ian.
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Post by alfakilo on Feb 18, 2014 10:59:57 GMT -6
Andy, I agree with you about this fellow, Apollo. I have seen only a couple of his videos, but from what I have seen, they are quite well done. He has done a nice job. I would love to know who he is and meet him. Best wishes, Fred. I agree, Fred. He has produced a more recent video series where he tracks the events using a contour-like map. I haven't watched these yet and am eager to see what you and others think of the project. AK
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Post by Dark Cloud on Feb 18, 2014 11:09:43 GMT -6
It's not very good as video and worse on what he presents as fact. You would be amazed what young kids produce these days far in advance of this. He's not young.
He breezily asserts as fact totally unknown and unknowable motivations for possible events that may, of course, not be true. I have only watched a few of his offerings in places, and not the ones where he gets to Custer's demise itself, but I can well imagine.
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Post by fred on Feb 18, 2014 11:21:49 GMT -6
DC,
I know what you mean, but in lieu of anything else-- and there is nothing else-- this isn't bad stuff. You or I could do the narration and we would have 50% of the Custer-speaking public up in arms about our opinions, as well. If nothing else, his videos show the terrain and the general concept of who, what, and where.
By the way, a friend of mine-- you know, one of the Fab Five I travel with-- sent me a great panoramic picture he shot from Weir Point this past June. As soon as he gives me the OK to post it, I shall do so. I think you may like it.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by alfakilo on Feb 18, 2014 11:33:48 GMT -6
It's not very good as video and worse on what he presents as fact. You would be amazed what young kids produce these days far in advance of this. He's not young. He breezily asserts as fact totally unknown and unknowable motivations for possible events that may, of course, not be true. I have only watched a few of his offerings in places, and not the ones where he gets to Custer's demise itself, but I can well imagine. I'm not here to defend these videos, but I would like to know what to believe or not. What exactly is being said here that you do not agree with? AK
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Post by quincannon on Feb 18, 2014 12:22:32 GMT -6
I believe that this battle can be looked at in two ways in hindsight drawing on evidence as it would be presented in a court of law.
The first is evidence as it would be presented in a criminal case where the evidence must conclusively prove beyond shadow of doubt that an event or series of events took place. If we use that standard, all we can say for sure is that every soldier involved died, and there are people out there that do not even believe that.
The second way is the manner of court decision in a civil case where only the preponderance of evidence is required to decide the case. If we use that standard we have a reasonable chance of discovering what most likely happened, and "most likely" is as close as any of us are likely to ever get.
DC is from the former school, and that's OK. Most of the rest of us I would think fall somewhere in the latter category.
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Post by Margaret on Feb 18, 2014 12:43:18 GMT -6
CusterApologist might be a more appropriate moniker for Mr Smith... however I do find his videos most interesting... and we have to be grateful for that....
...but there are 2 sides to every story and when doing a narration he really ought to be giving the other view....for the Sioux this was a case of triumph over oppression.... instead we get things like... Custer was only after the non-combatants to get them back to the Rez... he wasn't there to kill anybody.... apparently...lol.... I mean, Christ.... he ought to mention that according to the treaty the Sioux were entitled to be there.... outsiders.. that's non-Indians were not....
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Post by Margaret on Feb 18, 2014 12:46:25 GMT -6
...thanks to people for these great photos of the divide area.....it's somewhere I always wanted to go... they are wonderful shots I find... I'd like to know if Varnum's Lookout is visible in any.... I think it might be... not sure...
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Post by Yan Taylor on Feb 18, 2014 13:10:45 GMT -6
I remember posting a link for one of his film clips, and it was the one about the Reno valley fight. Well a few people thought that he was incorrect in his placing of the skirmish lines, so since then I have taken some of what he says with a pinch of salt. But as far as the shots themselves go, they are the best that someone like me can work with, given the fact that I have never been to the area, and they are shot pretty well too.
Yes Margaret, he makes sure that he gets his point across that Custer was only interested in the no-coms, so to be honest why did he want the reserve ammo brought forward if it wasn’t for causing death and destruction, that was the way that most nations from that era acted when faced with problems caused by any indigenous people, just look at most of the European super powers from around that time, including Britain, any problems with the locals and its “hey lads hey” break out the Lee-Enfield’s, Lebel’s and Mauser’s.
Ian.
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Post by fred on Feb 18, 2014 13:15:55 GMT -6
DC is from the former school, and that's OK. Most of the rest of us I would think fall somewhere in the latter category. What I like so much about DC-- and others find this difficult if not impossible to deal with-- is his uncompromising standards and his refusal to settle for poor results and trashy work. Every single thing I do-- or have done-- since I have "known" him, has been done with that critical air. I try extremely hard to meet his standards, and if there are questions or differences I make sure I note them. Anyway, here is the picture, taken June 2013 from Weir Point and by my dear friend, "Treasuredude," aka, Scott Nelson. He has it posted on his Website, I believe, so I do not think he will mind me using his name. Best wishes, Fred.
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