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Post by herosrest on May 5, 2021 11:28:40 GMT -6
Here is where I differ from Fred, and many others I suspect. I don't believe those men from Company E went into Deep Ravine at all, never, nada. Just does not seem real to me, or even close to real. I see neither tactical imperative, nor human reaction in it. I also believe the Indians fought General Custer dismounted , as there was but one dead Indian pony on the entire battle - field. It seems to me evident that all organization was gone after the first demoralization, for the slain of all companies were scattered pro miscuously , without regard to company formations. These soldiers were simply overwhelmed and overpowered. I saw one line of dead soldiers , twenty - five or thirty in number , from all the companies in the battalion , stripped and mutilated - evidently so arranged by the squaws — and shot full of arrows by the Indian children after the massacre.This was Jacob Adams, Company H (pack train) some considerable number of years afterwards. Fatalistic view veering into grotesque stake grilled prisoners, Custer surrounded by the white horses of the band members left behind at Powder River and lovely timing data. His arranged line of bodies for target practice was uniquely observant. The Journal of American history. v.3 1909.I'm sure you long bored of Custer but this may help. You might, just possibly, have gotten something correct! Be well.
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Post by noggy on May 6, 2021 1:44:01 GMT -6
Here is where I differ from Fred, and many others I suspect. I don't believe those men from Company E went into Deep Ravine at all, never, nada. Just does not seem real to me, or even close to real. I see neither tactical imperative, nor human reaction in it. I also believe the Indians fought General Custer dismounted , as there was but one dead Indian pony on the entire battle - field. It seems to me evident that all organization was gone after the first demoralization, for the slain of all companies were scattered pro miscuously , without regard to company formations. These soldiers were simply overwhelmed and overpowered. I saw one line of dead soldiers , twenty - five or thirty in number , from all the companies in the battalion , stripped and mutilated - evidently so arranged by the squaws — and shot full of arrows by the Indian children after the massacre.This was Jacob Adams, Company H (pack train) some considerable number of years afterwards. Fatalistic view veering into grotesque stake grilled prisoners, Custer surrounded by the white horses of the band members left behind at Powder River and lovely timing data. His arranged line of bodies for target practice was uniquely observant. HR: He mentions Indians using "band instruments". Never heard about the 7th bringing those along from the base at PR. So was he 1. Meaning bugles? 2. BS-ing? 3. Or did they actually bring along some instruments? Sounds strange, but hey; so does a bunch of other things! Maybe he went to the same ophthalmologist as Two Moons (I believe), who saw soldiers coming in wagons? All the best, Noggy
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Post by herosrest on May 6, 2021 8:13:23 GMT -6
I also believe the Indians fought General Custer dismounted , as there was but one dead Indian pony on the entire battle - field. It seems to me evident that all organization was gone after the first demoralization, for the slain of all companies were scattered pro miscuously , without regard to company formations. These soldiers were simply overwhelmed and overpowered. I saw one line of dead soldiers , twenty - five or thirty in number , from all the companies in the battalion , stripped and mutilated - evidently so arranged by the squaws — and shot full of arrows by the Indian children after the massacre.This was Jacob Adams, Company H (pack train) some considerable number of years afterwards. Fatalistic view veering into grotesque stake grilled prisoners, Custer surrounded by the white horses of the band members left behind at Powder River and lovely timing data. His arranged line of bodies for target practice was uniquely observant. HR: He mentions Indians using "band instruments". Never heard about the 7th bringing those along from the base at PR. So was he 1. Meaning bugles? 2. BS-ing? 3. Or did they actually bring along some instruments? Sounds strange, but hey; so does a bunch of other things! Maybe he went to the same ophthalmologist as Two Moons (I believe), who saw soldiers coming in wagons? All the best, Noggy As far as I'm aware there were only the trumpeters bugles played by bugling trumpeters and I have been told that GO cannot be played on those instruments but, someone else disagreed. I think there were bugles at LBH and they were captured. There were a good number of harps fiddled with Indian bows i'd guess and they may have banged a few drums afterwards. I imagine the rythmic beat went something like THIS if you give it a minute to get going. I did look at the comms, messaging, way back and they tooting the bugles. There are numerous Indian references throughout the Custer Columns action from Ford B on up to Custer's Hill. As you say, the term band instruments is odd from soldier side but is what it is. There was no-one present other than trumpeters, authorised to play instruments since the band members were left at Powder River Depot and dismounted with the horses taken for the expedition. Maybe Adams played music?
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Post by herosrest on May 6, 2021 9:06:26 GMT -6
Jacob AdamsHorace Ellis Paper A First Lesson in Thrift ΣπSigma PiFunny old World. The Adams account emanated from Horace Ellis when President of Vincennes University. VU is Mother to Sigma Pi. Yes............ i'm, bored. There are people today who think it took 10,000 Indians all day to kill 200 cavalry troopers at LBH. Hmmmm.......... what to do with romantic military types, eh!
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