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Post by quincannon on May 10, 2012 10:41:12 GMT -6
It might be well to recall here that The U S Army Reserve was originally established to provide medical officers to the Army in time of need, thus doing away with the requirement to hire contract surgeons. Wasn't Leonard Wood originally a commissioned officer in the Medical Corps?
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Post by stevewilk on May 10, 2012 11:18:52 GMT -6
It might be well to recall here that The U S Army Reserve was originally established to provide medical officers to the Army in time of need, thus doing away with the requirement to hire contract surgeons. Wasn't Leonard Wood originally a commissioned officer in the Medical Corps? Q: Wood indeed was commissioned as an Asst. Surgeon; he joined the Fourth Cavalry at Ft. Huachuca in 1886. In July he took command of an infantry detachment sent out under the command of a sergeant. Wood was given this "command" solely because of the requirement that an officer sign for commisary items and rations and to take control of govt. funds. He did not actually command the soldiers; ie could not "order NCOs around".
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Post by fred on May 10, 2012 16:31:38 GMT -6
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Post by Yan Taylor on May 11, 2012 2:53:39 GMT -6
Thanks Billy, nice of you to add the link and Fred to for posting it, I will bookmark it for future reference.
Ian.
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Post by fred on May 11, 2012 8:34:03 GMT -6
Ian,
You have to know old Markland is torturing me by staying off these boards... he is going to make me pay dearly for being such an ungrateful ass.
What thread does that link belong in? If you tell me, I will move it.
By the way, it is really nice to see so many of our cousins from across "the pond"-- as you say-- so interested in all this: you, Wild, Steve, Brenda, and "Helford." From my point of view I love the diversity. I only wish we could get Robert Doyle and Elisabeth back here, but they fell victim to DC's verbal sword. It is unfortunate, too, because DC did nothing more than try to make them prove their points and I think they took much of what he had to say the wrong way.
Correct me if I am wrong, DC, but I always felt Elisabeth knew more about the LBH than almost anyone. And I must say, the DC/Elisabeth disagreements were classics.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by fred on May 11, 2012 8:39:48 GMT -6
It might be well to recall here that The U S Army Reserve was originally established to provide medical officers to the Army in time of need, thus doing away with the requirement to hire contract surgeons. I did not know this. I found out another interesting little tidbit last night when I was looking up info about Charles Braden's DSC. Steve Andrews and Dan Sheehan... did you guys know the Marine Corps used to have a medal called the "USMC Brevet Medal"? It was just below the CMH, but above the DSC, and it was awarded to only about 22 Marine officers; established in 1918 or so, then discontinued, I think in 1940. It was a maroon ribbon with 7 stars, similar to the CMH, but with more stars of course (the CMH has five stars, configured as the points in the letter, "M"). Here is the link: www.homeofheroes.com/distinguishedservicecross/index.htmlI had never heard of it and was quite surprised when I saw it on that site. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by quincannon on May 11, 2012 8:56:16 GMT -6
It might also be of interest to note that Higbee, awarded the DSC was the first woman in our history to have a United States Navy warship named for her. USS Higbee DD 806. The only other two I know of were USS Hopper DDG 70, and USS Gabrielle Giffords LCS10. Other Navy ships have been named for women, transports and alike, but only three purpose built combattants were named for women.
I believe Doctor Mary Walker's MOH was withdrawn in 1917, and seem to remember it was reinstated late in the 20th Century
Interestingly enough only one Chaplain was ever awarded the MOH, Commander Joseph O'Callahan serving aboard USS Franklin. Anyone who has ever seen Victory at Sea or numerous other film clips of WWII, O'Callahan is the chaplain giving last rights to a sailor on the flight deck of Franklin. DE 1051 was named in his honor. Yes Fred he was a Jesuit, a Boston College Jesuit.
PS: Self correction. Two more chaplains were awarded the Medal of Honor for service in Vietnam, one Army with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, the other Navy serving with the Marines.
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Post by Yan Taylor on May 11, 2012 8:56:47 GMT -6
Fred, it is fine were it is, I don’t want to take this thread of its axis by going on to WW2, so anyone who wants to read it they can do so, and then we can get back to the topic in hand.
So here goes:
After Capt. Weir Left with his striker in which order did the other Companies leave?
If D Coy left first, and Capt. Benteen’s H Coy was third, who was second and fourth to leave Reno hill for Weir point M or K Coy.
P.S. Fred, when I wanted to find more data on the subject of the BLBH, I wanted to get it from a site based in the U.S.A, I bet most of the people who post here have actually visited the battlefield, so I could not think of a better place to start then here, I hope the same goes from my friends over here in Europe.
Ian.
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Post by fred on May 11, 2012 9:47:26 GMT -6
It might also be of interest to note that Higbee, awarded the DSC was the first woman in our history to have a United States Navy warship named for her. USS Higbee DD 806. The only other two I know of were USS Hopper DDG 70, and USS Gabrielle Giffords LCS10. Other Navy ships have been named for women, transports and alike, but only three purpose built combattants were named for women. Despite the fact I do not want to see a proliferation of females in the military-- we have already discussed those reasons and issues-- I have no objection to naming our warships after famous American women. I want to make this very clear, as well... men have no lock on bravery, either in this country or anywhere else. And actually, if you want to take understanding, kindness, and character into the equation, I believe women, overall, physically, emotionally, have as much or more guts than men. So bravery, to me, has never been an issue as far as the female is concerned. Actually, I just read an article that another chaplain-- WWII ? Korea ??-- is up for the CMH now. I think he was out of Kansas... or is it sainthood?... dear God, my brain is atrophying!!!!! He died in a POW camp... help!!!I watched that entire series with my parents when I was a kid. It held as all enraptured. It was part of our Sunday [?] TV-watching ritual. Pardon the liberties I have taken with your post. Us Georgetown men consider that institution our prep school. <g> [Into the bomb shelter we go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sandy Barnard is gonna chase me out of town!!!!!!!!!!!] Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by fred on May 11, 2012 10:12:45 GMT -6
After Capt. Weir Left with his striker in which order did the other Companies leave? If D Coy left first, and Capt. Benteen’s H Coy was third, who was second and fourth to leave Reno hill for Weir point M or K Coy. After Edgerly moved D Company forward and the others began to follow, Benteen and his H Company led out, followed by Godfrey’s “K,” then French’s “M.” Without checking my notes, I believe B Company followed that entourage, then Moylan's "A" with the wounded. Moylan sent someone forward to ask McDougall for help, and McDougall sent back a platoon. Wallace and "G" was in there somewhere, but he could account only for a handful of men at that time. Well, in my opinion, Ian, you have made a very wise choice. This site is by far the best Little Big Horn site there is. While the circus clown next door would like to think otherwise, all you have over there is his unsupportable ramblings and Clair's ridiculous theorizing. To me, the only serious players are Gerry and Rosebud, and if you eliminate the two main posters-- the moderator and Clair-- you eliminate virtually 50% or more of what goes on over there. I admire Gerry a lot because of his passion for Peter Thompson-- and Gerry knows I put virtually no stock in Thompson's tale. What I like so much about Gerry-- other than that passion-- is his lack of pretension. He is one of those fellows I would love to meet, love to have a beer with, love to laugh over what each of us has to say. Rosebud much the same way, though for different reasons. Other than that I think that board is a joke. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by quincannon on May 11, 2012 10:14:27 GMT -6
Fred: You and I will have to agree to disagee on the issue of women in the military. In a country that enshrined the word equality (meaning equality under the law) into out founding documents, I find that this is an issue of equality pure and simple. There is no such thing as being 50 percent equal, or 75 percent equal, or 90 percent equal. Even 99.99 percent equal is not equality. Only 100 percent equality is an acceptable level. We will work through this issue , as we have done others with the passage of time.
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Post by fred on May 11, 2012 10:24:37 GMT -6
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Post by ulan on May 11, 2012 10:36:55 GMT -6
Wow guys, that is off topic again. We need a cake with coffee room for both of you......
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Post by fred on May 11, 2012 10:57:59 GMT -6
I find that this is an issue of equality pure and simple. Well, that's where our disagreement lies then. To me, equality has nothing to do with it. It is a matter of ability-- physicality, pure and simple. There hasn't been a single policeman's test, a single fireman's test, a single test involving physical ability-- anywhere-- that hasn't been lowered to allow women into the ranks. If I have been incapacitated on the third floor of a burning building, who do I want running up that ladder to try to carry me out? If I am on a combat patrol, do I want a woman in the middle of her menstrual cycle next to me, when we went out wearing no after-shave because of the odors? Or how about some gal who may be pregnant and doesn't want to tell anyone? Do I want a patrol full of them, women who couldn't carry a wounded 200-pound man to safety? Do I want a woman driving a 5-ton trying to change a flat? And again, we can take it to the extreme of a 750-"man" infantry battalion made up entirely of women... does that make the army better? Or are we more interested in job equality? One can use a similar argument for an "all-volunteer" army versus a conscript army. With the volunteer army there is a tremendous reliance on the Guard and the Reserve. Who, pray tell, might we consider a "better" soldier? A full-timer or a part-timer? Plus, with an all-volunteer military we have a far greater reliance on contractors. And who were driving the trucks in Iraq? Did we see American contractors using foreign nationals as drivers? Guys from every country under the sun... could they speak English? Could they understand... could they handle a vehicle as well... did they know what they should do in a convoy...? It goes on and on. To me, the bottom line is that we have compromised our quality for the sake of money and so-called equality. Because we say it's so, doesn't mean it is. I hear this crap from women all the time: "I can do anything a man can do!!!" Last time I checked, I saw no women in the NBA, in major league baseball, in the NHL, or in the NFL. If women can do anything these men can do, why don't we find them in these leagues? And don't get me wrong, I am not saying they cannot or should not play these sports... God love 'em when they do... I'm simply saying they cannot compete in all arenas. When it comes to life and death, I am a lot less interested in this d**n Washington, DC, political expedience and political correctness, than I am in performance. Again... I ask the simple question: Do women make the military better? If the answer is, There is no difference, then I submit to you, Well, let's have an all-female infantry division. Why not? Why not, if they are just as good? There are plenty of places in the army for women... I do not deny that. When I was in the service I constantly clamored for more women... but within jobs they could excel at. How much does a 155mm round weigh? Or humping tank rounds in the confines of an M-1.... Or is it necessary to make sure there is a man nearby so that when a woman falters because of lack of strength we have someone to do the job? Again... I believe there are plenty of places for women in the military... and I do not even object to seeing more. It is the MOS that bothers me.And before everyone blows their stacks... anyone who knows me, anyone who has ever met me, knows how much I like, admire, and support empowered women. The three people I love the most in this world are my wife and my two daughters. I attack anyone who would discriminate against them in almost anything. But with me, it is all about quality: slot people where they can best perform, not where their desires want them to be. I want to play centerfield for a major league baseball team... now... right now. The fact that there are no 71-year old centerfielders in major league baseball today tells me there is age discrimination in baseball. Right? Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by fred on May 11, 2012 10:59:25 GMT -6
Wow guys, that is off topic again. We need a cake with coffee room for both of you...... I know...! This happens all the time. Okay, my friend... tell me what you want to talk about. Best wishes, Fred.
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